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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    the "scouting mission" from the Battlestar Valkyrie that may have actually began the latest war with the Cylons.....

    The return of "Bulldog"... and Adama and Tigh having to deal with the ghosts of the past...
    I liked that they gave Adama some "warts", though I think they show his leadership qualities rather then detract from it. He was faced with a very bad situation and made a hard decision. That shows leadership. He didn't waiver at the time. It wasn't until he viewed it in hindsight that he began to second guess himself. Faced with a situation which precipitated, if not caused, a war that annihilated humanity anyone would begin to question their decisions.

    Incidently, I don't think Adama's decision had anything to do with the start of the war. That path had already begun just by him being detected out there.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo
    and the scene with Deana and Caprica Six after making a "Cylon sandwich" with Gaius!
    I'll take one.. with extra mayo!

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    One thing that bugged me.

    Saul has been back on the ship for how long? A few weeks maybe? Why is he still covering his eye with gauze and tape? Get this guy an eye patch, or a Geordi La-Forge bananna clip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9
    One thing that bugged me.

    Saul has been back on the ship for how long? A few weeks maybe? Why is he still covering his eye with gauze and tape? Get this guy an eye patch, or a Geordi La-Forge bananna clip!
    I was wondering that myself because I thought I saw in a preseason clip or somewhere a picture of Tigh standing back on the bridge and he did have an eye patch.

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    Actually at the end of this last episode he did have an eye patch on, kinda beige in color.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    Since appearently switching jobs isn't as hard in their reality as it is in ours,do you think "Major" Lee Adama might have done an interservice transfer and is now a Marine?He and Starbuck have both led quite a few infantry actions both on board ship and planetside.
    It's either that or the rank structure is such that an ossifer can go from Enswine,to Lieutenant to Captain to Major to Colonel to Commander to Admiral and stay in the same uniform.
    Sorry bout the long hiatus...was up in Sac for a week TDY to JFHQ (NG).

    Anyways, it's very doubtful that Lee would be "transferred" to the Marines. There ARE Marine aviators, but if you think they lead infantry and boarding actions, you've been watching too much Pensacola: Wings of BS.

    Obviously their rank structure bears very little resemblance to our own, what with the intermingling of ground/air rank structure (Captain as a JO, Major, Colonel) with maritime ranks (Petty Officer--Dualla was one when she was Comms, Commander, Admiral)... trying to draw a comparison between their military structure and ours is just about as meaningless and fruitless an effort as can be made.

    After all, Dualla goes from being a Petty Officer (a non-commissioned officer, roughly equivalent to a SGT in the Army/AF) to a LT virtually overnight. I guess sleeping with the CO does have its privileges, but I'm not going to experiment on that front personally. Any other takers? *LMAO*

    Sideline discussion, dough, but the US Navy is the only service where enlisted uniforms differ greatly from commissioned officer uniforms. Even then, the uniforms of senior enlisted (E-7/Chief Petty Officer thru E-9/Master Chief Petty Officer) are relatively similar to those of commissioned officers, excepting that they still wear enlisted-style rank insignia (the famous crow and chevrons) instead of sleeve braid to mark rank, and they also wear hash marks to delineate time in service.

    Of the remaining services, the Army, Marine Corps, Air Force, and Coast Guard, the uniform styling is very similar between officers and enlisted, the primary differences being that enlisted typically wear sewn-on rank on the sleeve for service and dress uniforms, whereas officers wear pin-on rank on the epaulets, and officers typically wear different hat styles with gold chin straps and/or "scrambled eggs" on the brim for field grade officers with dress uniforms. Branch insignia also differ between officers and enlisted on US Army service and dress uniforms. Other than that, the distinctions are difficult to see between officers and enlisted of the Army, Air Force, Marines, and Coast Guard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9
    Get this guy an eye patch, or a Geordi La-Forge bananna clip!
    LMAO!! And here's 10 more letters so it will post

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    I agree with 1141, there's enough intermixing of the rank structure to make your head spin. As far as the Marines go on Galactica, it looks more like an MOS than a separate branch of service. They must be doing some recruiting too, because I remember mention being made of "our last few Marines" at some point in an earlier season.

    I love the fact that even a spaceship isn't a real fighting vessel without a contingent of Marines-I always thought that was the most ridiculous thing about Star Trek and the old BSG-was always having the same five officers doing all the fighting. Not only do they have Marines, but they even have Gunnery Sergeants-remember the female Gunny who was with Sharon on New Caprica?

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    Hooah, Gunny.

    Err, I mean "Oooo-rah, Devil Dog!!!" ;-D

    Ships at least need a MARDET for self-protection from boarding actions, if nothing else.

    As far as my "overall impression" of BSG goes...in the first season, I kinda liked the "Wing Commander" feel (the games, not the craptastic movie) it had...which of course has since gone totally out the window. I wish they'd bring some of that back...

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    Friend,I spent 1984 to 1988 wearing Navy blue and calling the floor a deck,a mop a swab and asking "Permission to go ashore,Sir"when leaving buildings.
    I know the differences in rank and that it's fiction.The question about an inerservice transfer was posted in relation to the characters' version of"reality",not ours.Lee,Kara and the Chief have been seen leading Marines with nary a thought as to the fact that minutes before in the episode,they'd been working on a flight deck readying fighters or in the O club knocking back a few before decking the XO.
    Marine aviators might not routinely lead infantry actions but they are required to take the training to show how serious things can get when the air support gets FUBARed.

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    Friend,I spent 1984 to 1988 wearing Navy blue and calling the floor a deck,a mop a swab and asking "Permission to go ashore,Sir"when leaving buildings.
    Thanks for your service... I was myself never in the Navy, but was a brat and wore the uniforms and pulled a few tie-down chains myself as a Sea Cadet (airedale) some years ago.
    I ended up wearing Army green (boo, hiss, I know)...or, well, I guess now it'd be the gray/pastel green (ACUs).

    Marine aviators might not routinely lead infantry actions but they are required to take the training to show how serious things can get when the air support gets FUBARed.
    Aviators are required to take SERE training, yes...but they don't attend INF school, unless they happen to be prior-service INF troops before getting their commissions. Sure, "Every Soldier/Marine is a Soldier/Marine first, their MOS second," boy that sure looks good on paper, don't it?
    Reality is that while yes, we're all taught the basics, "Shoot, Move, Communicate", the fact is that if you stick a platoon of Medics, say, against a bunch of Infantry guys in a mock tactical situation, the Medics will get slaughtered, and rightly so.
    Even a medic who's attached to an INF unit is still not an INF Soldier--he still hasn't gone to 11B AIT and isn't going to have the same skills or operate as an infantryman at the same level as the guy who eats, breathes, and sleeps INF life.

    Likewise, as a Medic, Signals, or Quartermaster Corps Soldier has no business leading INF guys in a tactical situation, a pilot has even less business doing so. In point of fact, I've seen pilots on the range who literally do not know how to even load or unsafe a pistol, though I have yet (THANKFULLY!) to run into one who doesn't know which end points downrange...though I'm sure there'll be one someday.

    Lee,Kara and the Chief have been seen leading Marines with nary a thought as to the fact that minutes before in the episode,they'd been working on a flight deck readying fighters or in the O club knocking back a few before decking the XO.
    I guess the writers interpret "science fiction" as: "free license to do whatever the hell we want and expect it to make sense."
    Personally, I think the XO needs to get decked a little more often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    I know the differences in rank and that it's fiction.The question about an inerservice transfer was posted in relation to the characters' version of"reality",not ours.Lee,Kara and the Chief have been seen leading Marines with nary a thought as to the fact that minutes before in the episode,they'd been working on a flight deck readying fighters or in the O club knocking back a few before decking the XO.
    Your point is exactly why I stated I don't believe that, in the BSG world, Marines are a separate branch of service. It appears to be an MOS or primary duty. As stated, the pilots and other crew routinely fight with-and lead- the Marines, and I have yet to see a Marine Officer. I believe that is reason to believe that they are Colonial Fleet members who work as Marines, but do not belong to a "Colonial Marine Corps". Hence, there can be no interservice transfer-and why transfer to a branch when you can keep your current status and do their job whenever you want?

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    I believe that is reason to believe that they are Colonial Fleet members who work as Marines, but do not belong to a "Colonial Marine Corps".
    Course they can't be "Colonial Marines", Gunny...

    THESE...

    ...are the REAL Colonial Marines. Simply BADNESS!

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    [QUOTE=the1141man]
    Ships at least need a MARDET for self-protection from boarding actions, if nothing else.

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    My dee-stroyer,USS Mahan DDG 42,a Hollywood ship(ever see "The Bedford Incident"?That's her under her old hull number DLG 11,with a 3 added for the movie)didn't need no MARDET.
    We had a reaction force and if they got by them without slowing down,we called"Away the Augmentation Force,Away"which is basically the whole crew coming out to rumble.We'd get whatever firearms still in the small arms locker and anything else we could get our hands on to repel boarders.If that didn't work,we parachute our DKs into the attackers' home territory and they'd screw up their payrolls so badly none of them would ever get paid again in this lifetime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv
    As stated, the pilots and other crew routinely fight with-and lead- the Marines, and I have yet to see a Marine Officer.
    Even though Tigh is or was the XO,what does he do to earn his base pay?Isn't he a Marine?
    I think there has been a LT or Captain spoke to or about in previous episodes but they don't seem to go for dress blues much so I don't think I have seen any either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    Even though Tigh is or was the XO,what does he do to earn his base pay?Isn't he a Marine?
    I don't think so. Just because he's a Colonel vs Commander doesn't seem to make it so. As discussed previously, their rank structure is all over the place. I think Marine, in this series, is an enlisted specialty.

    [/QUOTE]I think there has been a LT or Captain spoke to or about in previous episodes but they don't seem to go for dress blues much so I don't think I have seen any either.[/QUOTE]

    They don't wear the Blues because everyone else would get jealous!

    I checked on the BSG forums-that makes me a real sci fi geek, doesn't it-and there were a few threads about Marines-there was mention of seeing two Gunnery Sgts and one Lt over the course of the series. I may sign up just to push for more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunnyv
    I checked on the BSG forums-that makes me a real sci fi geek, doesn't it-and there were a few threads about Marines-there was mention of seeing two Gunnery Sgts and one Lt over the course of the series. I may sign up just to push for more.
    You've got bigger ones than me, Gunny. Seems "Newbie in the Water" over there is like dumping a metric ton of chum in shark-infested waters.

    My dee-stroyer,USS Mahan DDG 42,a Hollywood ship(ever see "The Bedford Incident"?That's her under her old hull number DLG 11,with a 3 added for the movie)didn't need no MARDET.
    We had a reaction force and if they got by them without slowing down,we called"Away the Augmentation Force,Away"which is basically the whole crew coming out to rumble.We'd get whatever firearms still in the small arms locker and anything else we could get our hands on to repel boarders.If that didn't work,we parachute our DKs into the attackers' home territory and they'd screw up their payrolls so badly none of them would ever get paid again in this lifetime.
    *LOL* Admittedly, I don't know much about small-boys... but it figures hey, if your "ship's doctor" is an HM1, you probably don't have a MARDET, either.
    I like the idea of the Airborne DKs...err, well now I think they're PSs (PN + DK = PS *LOL*). Anyways, good idea there.

    As for Tigh...I don't know what exactly he does to earn his salary anyways--even before he turned into a one-eyed, four-toed, slothful alcohol imbiber. He kinda reminds me of Sigourney Weaver's character on Galaxy Quest...
    Tim Allen: "So what is it you do around here, anyways?"
    Sigourney: "I guess I repeat what the computer says..."
    Something like that.
    So Tigh just repeats what Bill says to the crew, and repeats the crew's reports back to Bill, occasionally adding his own mumbled musings to the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the1141man
    *LOL* Admittedly, I don't know much about small-boys... but it figures hey, if your "ship's doctor" is an HM1, you probably don't have a MARDET, either.
    I like the idea of the Airborne DKs...err, well now I think they're PSs (PN + DK = PS *LOL*). Anyways, good idea there.
    .
    Our Doc was just an HM3.He'd come to us from a tour with the Marines though.I guess that was close enough for gummint work.
    I think the navy needs to quit messing with the ratings and the abbreviations for them before someone comes up with "Business Specialist"(use your imagination)to deal with command paper shuffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    Our Doc was just an HM3.He'd come to us from a tour with the Marines though.I guess that was close enough for gummint work.
    I think the navy needs to quit messing with the ratings and the abbreviations for them before someone comes up with "Business Specialist"(use your imagination)to deal with command paper shuffling.
    Hey, in a situation like that I'll take an E-4 with FMSS and an FMF tour under his belt over an E-6/7 who's been pushin paper and emptying bedpans in a NAVHOSP his whole career any day of the week.

    As for messing with the ratings...*LOL* PS is just the latest round. Apparently they merged DC and HT some time ago, so I heard... AMS and AMH (Aviation Structural Mech-Structures and -Hydraulics) merged into AM some time ago (-E, Safety Equipment, remained separate, though apparently that's going to be merged to PR soon?).

    Apparently next on the list is realigning the Silent Service--Fire Controlman with Torpedoman and changing it to Fire Control-Underwater (FU). Would be great to be a Master Chief in that rating, huh? Get to be FUCM Smith or whatever.

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    I was watching "Band of Brothers"again last night and guess who's name I saw scrolling across the screen as"Lt Tom Foley"?
    Jamie Bamber.I knew he looked familiar from somewhere but since my memory is prejudiced in favor of women,I couldn't place him.I know he's British so I wonder who thinks who is working with accents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson
    I was watching "Band of Brothers"again last night and guess who's name I saw scrolling across the screen as"Lt Tom Foley"?
    Jamie Bamber.I knew he looked familiar from somewhere but since my memory is prejudiced in favor of women,I couldn't place him.I know he's British so I wonder who thinks who is working with accents.
    On one of the dvd's they have a behind the scenes talk with Jamie, I was amazed at how much British accent he has. He does a fantastic job hidding it in BG

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    Anyone catch the last couple episodes? So far I haven't been terribly impressed (the last one especially).

    I did like Kavel (sp?).. "We're robots, we're imortal. Kill the humans now and we'll still find Earth eventually".

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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    Anyone catch the last couple episodes? So far I haven't been terribly impressed (the last one especially).

    I did like Kavel (sp?).. "We're robots, we're imortal. Kill the humans now and we'll still find Earth eventually".

    I have a feeling that when they find "God"... "God" will turm out to be human. The parallels, such as the 5 pillars around the Eye of Jupiter, the 5 unkown Cylons... Adama willing to nuke the planet... makes for an intersting second half of the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    I have a feeling that when they find "God"... "God" will turm out to be human. The parallels, such as the 5 pillars around the Eye of Jupiter, the 5 unkown Cylons... Adama willing to nuke the planet... makes for an intersting second half of the season.
    I thought the expansion of the Earth story line was pretty good. The temple.. the pillars and associated drama was pretty good. I just thought the Galactica 90210 stuff was getting a little old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voyager9 View Post
    I thought the expansion of the Earth story line was pretty good. The temple.. the pillars and associated drama was pretty good. I just thought the Galactica 90210 stuff was getting a little old.
    *LOL* At the end of the "Dance" episode, ol Bill should've ended his speech with "Save the drama fo' yo' mama."

    Does anybody know that much about TV time slots? I'm wondering if the move to Sunday nights is a move up, or a step down from the Friday/9PM slot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by medic27205 View Post
    On one of the dvd's they have a behind the scenes talk with Jamie, I was amazed at how much British accent he has. He does a fantastic job hidding it in BG

    Him and the guy that plays Baltar both.In one of the preview shows,I remember his comment about how Bamber,when he screws up,can't yell out a proper"Oh bugger!"like an Englishman should.

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