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    Smile magnegrip exhaust verses plymovent

    we are looking at both company's. any input would be great

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    Plymovent here.

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    We have the Plymovent set up at both stations. The system has worked great with no major issues. The local company has been great to deal with. We have a maintenace contract (twice a year) for filter changes and PM's. Any time there has been an issue like a broken hose they have responded within 24 hours of the call.

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    Plymovent had them for quite a while now work great.

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    Hi Mr. P, Good to see you here. I'd say any of the two are better than opening three doors and hoping we dont get cancer from the exhaust.
    Keep up the good work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by numbir39
    Hi Mr. P, Good to see you here. I'd say any of the two are better than opening three doors and hoping we dont get cancer from the exhaust.
    Keep up the good work!

    Oh lord! We are being over run by people from Lewiston! Oh, wait thats a good thing. High Michael P. Welcome to the forums. Hope you stick around.
    Let us know where you get the money to do all of this.
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    Our department actually had both systems for a while. I'm not sure if things have changed, but 5 years ago Plymovent was significantly more money than Magnegrip...Because of this, our department eventually went with Magnegrip.

    Both systems work. I felt that the Plymovent's were more user friendly in how they made their connection to the vehicle. The Plymovent hose could attach to nearly any size exhaust pipe. The Magnegrip's on the other hand have to attach to a special receiver that must be added to all your vehicles. It takes a bit more work to line up the hose to the receiver also.

    Also, the retraction system on the Plymovent's were less trouble than the Magnegrip. The Magnegrip retracters tended to jam in the slide rail when we first got them. This wasn't the case when we had the Plymovent.

    Those two things being said...after some adjustments and learning the equipment, we rarely have problems with the Magnegrip. So for the price difference, I think we came out okay. The Plymovent is a great system, didn't seem to have the start-up issues, but costs more. If money is an issue, Magnegrips work fine, they just appeared to take more fine tuning as they are a less flexible system.

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    Oh lord! We are being over run by people from Lewiston! Oh, wait thats a good thing. High Michael P. Welcome to the forums. Hope you stick around.
    Let us know where you get the money to do all of this.

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    Never used the Magnegrip, but we've had Plymovents for about 6-7 years. The biggest thing is to make sure the exhaust pipe is angled in a way to allow the boot to release. They are also easy to repair when you do rip the end off one. After a lot of trial and error we've got them working well.

    Spend the $ on a decent air compressor and place it as far from the dorm/living quarters as possible. If the system develops a leak somewhere the compressor will run a lot, and the compressor noise and vibration can be irritating.

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    We use a Plymovent system ..........and love it .............IIRC they will soon be goign toe neighboring station to remove a Magnegrip and put in a Plymovent system. I/we LOVE IT HERE !
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    We have had Plymovent for about 8 years. There ok but we have had our problems with them. We have several scratches and nicks on our rigs because of them We run 7 units out of my station and if a unit goes out and the front doors aren't shut on the rigs next to it they swing back in and hit the doors. We've also had problems with ripping the ends off of the tubes.They leak air constantly now to, but then again we run 19,000 calls a year out of my station so they get abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD1MICHAEL
    we are looking at both company's. any input would be great

    Move on to something really important like buying more smoothbore nozzles. I do not believe in global warming, the tooth fairy, Santa Claus, or the need for exhaust vent systems.
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    Is that opinion from a guy who smokes??

    I work hard at keeping my lungs nice and pink, soft and spongy. That means regular work outs and wearing my SCBA more than most of the guys in our hall.

    tooth fairy and santa clause is up for grabs

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    We have a Plymovent and have had no issues. Not sure on the cost as we got ours from FEMA. We are moving to a new station and they upgraded us to a new wireless system for disconnects very reasonible. No problems in two years and we expanded at the new station.

    Good luck getting your system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD1MICHAEL
    Is that opinion from a guy who smokes??

    I work hard at keeping my lungs nice and pink, soft and spongy. That means regular work outs and wearing my SCBA more than most of the guys in our hall.

    tooth fairy and santa clause is up for grabs

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    Michael,
    Harve is busting chops. Check the search option. I am pretty sure there has been discussion on this topic before.
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    Check with your engine manufacturer. I recall a theory that the pressure cuff type seal was so air tight that it could cause the turbocharger to spin to high RPM with no oil pressure before the engine was started.

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    Harve,No Tooth fairy? No Santa Claus? My faith in humanity is now broken. Real men breathe diesel smoke,no sissy suckers hehe T.C.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfdlou
    Check with your engine manufacturer. I recall a theory that the pressure cuff type seal was so air tight that it could cause the turbocharger to spin to high RPM with no oil pressure before the engine was started.

    I don't recall the engine manufacturer, but I have seen a copy of the letter on company letterhead stating that this is the case and would void the warranty on the turbo.

    We happen to have magnegrip and have had no significant problems - mostly adjustment issues.

    We have one vehicle and one "slot" with vertical exhaust. It would have been worth converting the vehicle to side-exhaust instead of installing the one-trick exhaust rail contraption for that one apparatus. Just something to think about whatever system you might wind up with.
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    We have lots of Plymo vents in service and love them.

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    Our department has a Plymovent system at each station, with four hook ups at each station. Both systems are down and we have contacted them to get the problems addressed, but all we are getting is excuses on why they can NOT come to repair them. One system will not activate when a vehicle is started, the other will not shut-off. When it was operational it was a good system, but the delay in getting service is causing us grief because it is geting colder out. With it being cold out and the station is shut up when vehicles are started, so we are back to breathing diesel exhaust, tahnks Plymovent. It has been two months or better that we have been waiting for them to repair the one system, the other started malfunctioning the last two weeks. And when we called to tell them we had another system down, the excuses started coming. If they do not act soon, we may mail it to them.

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    Sounds like a support issue that should be addressed with the local rep. If they aren't listening (like is seems) I'd start climbing the ladder and if you don't get a response, let them know that you will share your story with all FFs who ask and put up a sign in front of the station.

    We have had a great rep and no issues.

    Sorry to hear about your unfortunate experience.

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    I'm sharing that is why I came here. Just wanted to let some of you know what you might be in for. believe me if they do not step up and fix it soon and aplogize for their lack of effort, they will be seeing us at FDIC where there is no place to hide when we start expressing our dissatisfaction.

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    There is many things to consider when choosing a vehicle exhaust system. Our station looked very hard and in depth at both systems. We ended up going with the PlymoVent system for a lot of reasons. The company is ISO 1901 certified, which means that the product is manufactuerd with consistent quality control. The PlymoVent system requires no adapters to be put on the exhaust pipes, which allows surrounding departments that may stand-by at our station to be hooked up to system. PlymoVent complies with NFPA 1500 standards for 100% effective source capture of exhaust emissions. The Magnegrip tailpipe adapter violates NFPA 1901-12.2.5.6 which has parts of the exhaust system exposed for injury to personnel. We are lucky to have surrounding departments that have both systems installed that our dept. called and talked to for references and received information on both positive and negatives for both systems. To make a long story short the end result was to go with PLymoVent, we received more negeatives than positives for the Magnegrip system. A constant problem for the departments with Magnegrip was the lack of service available. No service department, no on hand parts available, and there were even departments taking out the Magnegrip system to put in the PlymoVent system. Our Plymovent system has been installed now for 4 years and we have had no problems to the date. It's user friendly and very effective. My advice to your department would be to find out the departments in your area that have both systems and talk to them, they are the best resource available. Good luck and do your research.
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    Our department installed plymovents in are7 stations 12 years ago. For the most part they have worked great.We have had very few warranty issues, and since the warranty is up I am responsible for all of the maint. on the systems. The systems are very easy to service and repair, and plymovent is very helpful in diagnosing problems. The replacment parts we get have been improved upon over the originals so they seem to lasting even longer. I did however go with a different type of air line inside our exhaust hoses and this cut way back on the amount of burnt lines. Good systems over all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkhavnen
    The Magnegrip tailpipe adapter violates NFPA 1901-12.2.5.6 which has parts of the exhaust system exposed for injury to personnel. We are lucky to have surrounding departments that have both systems installed that our dept. called and talked to for references and received information on both positive and negatives for both systems. To make a long story short the end result was to go with PLymoVent, we received more negeatives than positives for the Magnegrip system. A constant problem for the departments with Magnegrip was the lack of service available. No service department, no on hand parts available, and there were even departments taking out the Magnegrip system to put in the PlymoVent system.
    We had the exact opposite expeirience. Called 25-30 references from each and found both were decent but more complaints from Pymovent owners. Big issues: noise, complaints from neighbors, cuff wear, and a few that switched the air cuff for magnetic attachments. We bought Magnagrip and have had the usual adjustment issues with retracters and adapters but nothing to be concerned with. Next door has a new Plymovent with no real issues yet also. As for the mutual aid companies being able to hook up- why? The length of the track and hoses have not been set up for other vehicles and may be damaged upon use. For the few relocations a year are we this politically correct that we can't take a few breaths of exhaust fumes. You certainly get more sitting in trafffic! The biggest thing is to remove the start up exhaust, no sense to blow the issue out of proportion. As for Magnagrip sticking out to far? Not here! Flush with the side of the body or recessed. I guess if NFPA is worried about protrusions we're not allowed to have mirrors on the cab?

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