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    Default NYFD Acronym F.D. H.N.S. N.Y. M. B.X. R.

    I found an old NYFD tie pin with F.D. H.N.S N.Y. M. B.X. R.,looks to be pretty old,maybe 1950's-60's.

    Anyone know what Dept./station this represents?

    Past or still present?

    Any info appreciated,thank's.

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    Might have something to do with the FDNY Holy Name Society??? (HNS?)
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    You hit it on the head FWD. A google search for the FDNY HNS turned up the following website http://fdnyholynamesociety.com/

    If you look at the following picture, you will notice on the banner in the background are the abreviations "Man. BX. Rich." which seem like they'd match the "M. B.X. R." on the tie pin.
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    Wow,thanks all....thats interesting.

    Just begs for more questions.

    I guess is a (fraternal firefighting group?),associated with Shriners/Freemasons?

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    Luckythirteen,

    Thanks for the info,I Googled til' I was blue in the face..and you found that.

    Any idea what M. B.X. R. stands for ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by junk250

    Any idea what M. B.X. R. stands for ?
    Just a guess... maybe Manhattan, Bronx, and umm... Staten Island?

    **Actually, I believe the R. stands for Richmond.
    Richmond became a part of the greater City of New York in 1898.
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    Richmond is the County name for the boro of Staten Island

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    Quote Originally Posted by junk250
    Wow,thanks all....thats interesting.

    Just begs for more questions.

    I guess is a (fraternal firefighting group?),associated with Shriners/Freemasons?
    It is a Catholic organization, NOTHING to do with the Masons.
    The Holy Name Society promotes the honor and glory of our Divine God and the Personal sanctification of its members by acts of love and devotion to the most Holy Name of Jesus. This Spiritual life of its members is a perpetual act of reverence and love.

    Our members perform the Corporal Works of Mercy: to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give drink to the thirsty, shelter to the homeless, and tend the sick. The organization schedules a Communion Mass and Breakfast, a Memorial Mass, carries on a comprehensive program of charitable endeavors and educational interests.

    The Holy Name Society promotes respect for the most Holy Name of God, faith in the Catholic Church, loyalty to ones country, and respect for all lawful authority both civil and religious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by junk250
    Thanks for the info,I Googled til' I was blue in the face..and you found that.
    Comes from my first assignment. The equipment rarely ever broke so I spent alot of time on the net perfecting my search abilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    It is a Catholic organization, NOTHING to do with the Masons.
    Catholic and Masons are both Christians ..right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyThirteen
    Comes from my first assignment. The equipment rarely ever broke so I spent alot of time on the net perfecting my search abilities.
    Funny how differnt search approaches have different result's.I swear I've been Googling that for too long(3-4 months) and nothing....and you hit first try...Go figure.

    Thank's Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by junk250
    Catholic and Masons are both Christians ..right?
    Not necessarily. If I remember right, to be a mason you must believe in "a god," not necessarily the christian god. So, you could be Muslim, Jewish, etc. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but my cousin (Catholic) has told me he won't be involved with the Masonic Lodge because his beliefs won't allow him to be a part of a secret society, which some believe the lodge to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22
    Not necessarily. If I remember right, to be a mason you must believe in "a god," not necessarily the christian god. So, you could be Muslim, Jewish, etc. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but my cousin (Catholic) has told me he won't be involved with the Masonic Lodge because his beliefs won't allow him to be a part of a secret society, which some believe the lodge to be.
    Many Catholics won't join the Masons due to the fact that the Freemasons were an organization originally founded with the original purpose of opposeing the Pope and the Catholic Church. Their purpose has since changed/evolved away from that, but many folks still hold a grudge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    Many Catholics won't join the Masons due to the fact that the Freemasons were an organization originally founded with the original purpose of opposeing the Pope and the Catholic Church. Their purpose has since changed/evolved away from that, but many folks still hold a grudge.
    Thanks for the history lesson, I didn't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22
    Thanks for the history lesson, I didn't know that.
    Oh yeah, there are many semi-secret societys with in the Catholic Church....Opis Dai for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22
    Not necessarily. If I remember right, to be a mason you must believe in "a god," not necessarily the christian god. So, you could be Muslim, Jewish, etc. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but my cousin (Catholic) has told me he won't be involved with the Masonic Lodge because his beliefs won't allow him to be a part of a secret society, which some believe the lodge to be.
    The Freemasons are not a secret society, they are a society that has secrets, though many of the secrets have been disclosed and are now public knowledge.
    Not all freemasons are Christians, to become a mason you must have a belief that there is a supreme being who is the God of all, not just one religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catch22
    Not necessarily. If I remember right, to be a mason you must believe in "a god," not necessarily the christian god. So, you could be Muslim, Jewish, etc. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but my cousin (Catholic) has told me he won't be involved with the Masonic Lodge because his beliefs won't allow him to be a part of a secret society, which some believe the lodge to be.

    The original basis for the Catholic Chirch forbidding its members from being Masons is that at least at one time, Masons had to take oaths of secrecy. Catholics may not do this, because they cannot commit to witholding something from their Confessor.

    Plus, of course, the last thing those old-time Masons would have wanted is Catholics joining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc
    The original basis for the Catholic Chirch forbidding its members from being Masons is that at least at one time, Masons had to take oaths of secrecy. Catholics may not do this, because they cannot commit to witholding something from their Confessor.

    Plus, of course, the last thing those old-time Masons would have wanted is Catholics joining.
    Wrong, the Church was opposed to Masons, because Masons were opposed to the Church and the Pope. There are many secret societies with in the church, that has nothing to do with. It was the Mason's non-secret goals where the problems were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    Wrong, the Church was opposed to Masons, because Masons were opposed to the Church and the Pope. There are many secret societies with in the church, that has nothing to do with. It was the Mason's non-secret goals where the problems were.
    I recommend that you read the encyclical Humanum Genus by Pope Leo XIII, and educate yourself.


    Think about it, a CATHOLIC secret society would not require that secrets be kept even in the confessional. Opus Dei, for example, can simply provide its own priests for the confessions of it members.

    Not to say the Church didn't also oppose the open anti-Catholicism of the Masons; of course it did.

    Anyway, all rather far from the original topic.

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    Thank's all,

    I'm into interesting histories, now I know a little more.

    Definatly a Catholic group of Firefighters,looks like GREAT bunch of people.And I'm assuming the best Firefighters ever,being NYFD.

    Any more information would be welcome.

    Thank's to all for being polite to my ignorance on the subject,an interesting and informative thread.
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    Heres the tie clip....

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    That's pretty sharp looking.
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