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    Quote Originally Posted by fireslayer123 View Post
    Actually I don't.
    Drop Ken a line and I am sure that he can, and could you post it here when you find out?

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    Ken replied quickly to my e-mail. Here's his response.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ken Menke
    Dear Lt. XXXXX,

    Thank you for the email. I think I can provide some insight and information regarding the new chevron requirements in NFPA 1901, but there needs to be some factual clarification.

    1) I am not a voting member of NFPA 1901 but actively participate in NFPA 1901 at the task group level. Only the 30 appointed committee members can approve or reject any changes, and this is by majority vote.

    2) I can not formally interpret nor speak for NFPA or the committee.

    In 2006 a proposal (15.9.3.4) was submitted by a Robert Tutterow (also a voting member of NFPA) with the recommendation that NFPA mandate the 50% red/yellow chevron on the back of all apparatus. This proposal was submitted as means to reduce the high number of rear end collusions we are seeing in the field.

    I offered to research this proposal, at the task group level, and to present my findings to see if this was something that should be added to the standard as a way to improve conspicuity on the rear of emergency apparatus. My findings and recommendations, presented to NFPA, have been attached in the power point presentation.

    At the task group level my recommendations were accepted. Regrettably, my recommendations were not accepted at the committee level.

    The required 50% of retro-reflective material and the specified colors red/yellow, were based on heuristic data. To the best of my knowledge, I have not seen any engineering studies or scientific research that can state red/yellow is better then red/white, or blue/white.

    To answer your question regarding color scheme and amending options in 1901, I must again reiterate that I am not able to speak for NFPA nor the committee. To the best of my knowledge, there is no language that states you can alter the chevron colors and maintain NFPA compliance on new apparatus. In chapter 4 (section 4.21) "Statement of Exception" provides the Contractor the ability to deliver an apparatus to the purchaser that has not met all of the requirements of NFPA 1901. This could include an apparatus being delivered without the final lettering and striping. The burden of responsibility then transfers from the contractor to the purchaser. It also clearly states that the apparatus shall not be placed in service until full compliance is met.

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    Considering the implementation of ANSI/ISEA 207-2006 (American National Standard
    for High-Visibility Public Safety Vests)
    , and the color requirements required of the fluorescent background material, shouldn't we choose a color for the non-red areas that would also meet this standard?

    We assume they've done their research to substantiate the effectiveness of those colors. Why try to reinvent the wheel, or deviate from that path?

    I posed this same question in another Chevron thread.
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    The brand new NFPA standard also says that reflective chevrons should be covering 65% of the rear of the apparatus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScooterUMT56 View Post
    The brand new NFPA standard also says that reflective chevrons should be covering 65% of the rear of the apparatus.
    Nope, only 50%.

    15.9.3.2 At least of 50% of the rear vertical surfaces of the apparatus shall be equipped with a minimum 4 inch alternating yellow and red chevron retroreflective striping sloping downward and away from the centerline of the vehicle at an angle of 45 degrees.
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    I haven't read the standand as of yet but what do depts that have over 80% of the rear of there apparatus covered in diamond tread do? One of our engines is mostely diamond tread. We plan on purchasing an exact replica of our current engine in the next year or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FIREINST View Post
    I haven't read the standand as of yet but what do depts that have over 80% of the rear of there apparatus covered in diamond tread do? One of our engines is mostely diamond tread. We plan on purchasing an exact replica of our current engine in the next year or so.
    Those areas normally diamond plate on the rear face will probably be finished in smooth aluminum or stainless, and the chevron applied. So your twin won't be quite identical...
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    Just wondering if this apparatus has been delivered. The thread was started 10/06. It seems as though it should be about time to be delivered if the bid was awarded to ALF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoxAlarm187 View Post
    Nope, only 50%.

    15.9.3.2 At least of 50% of the rear vertical surfaces of the apparatus shall be equipped with a minimum 4 inch alternating yellow and red chevron retroreflective striping sloping downward and away from the centerline of the vehicle at an angle of 45 degrees.
    I lied... Someone at my station with some credibility said 65%. I guess I have to beat the credibility out of them.
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    In addition our 1991 Pierce Aerial currently under refurb at Pierce will have the same packages applied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ff36ofd View Post
    I have done our tanker, rescue , mini and engine with SCENEdots it takes a little time to put them on but it does look nice
    Hehe...always wondered what they did with the extra bedazzlers....
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    Fire Engines / Trucks are supposed to be all RED and diamond plate.



    Sorry couldn't pass that up

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    Does anyone know of a place that sells the chevron stripping at a reasonable cost?

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