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    I wake up in an America where Congress is once again in Democratic hands and SC & DTM have tag-teamed on the same side of an issue...

    Maybe I am just having a bad dream Unfortunately, I'm pretty much on SC's side of this issue, too.


    1) Anyone who uses the term "illegal immigrant" has already conceded a major point to their opponents. It's illegal alien. An immigrant is permenantly changing residency, and if you know you're here illegally, I can't see how you can assume you have a right to be a resident...

    2) I'm not so sure it's NAFTA that needs to be re-worked...as it is the trade agreements with China. While I'm not a protectionist...at the same time trade can be a tool of foreign policy, and I'd much rather have a financially stable Mexico on our southern border than just about anything else to do with national security. So yeah, give them more favorable tariffs then China.

    3) A fence in places make sense. But not many.

    4) A key peice of economic growth is population growth. We need more immigration, not less. More baby making wouldn't hurt either.

    5) Make it easy to get alien work permits.
    a) Good health & sound mind;
    b) No serious criminal history (yes I recognize this could be weak to check in foreign countries)
    c) Fingerprint & DNA swab (like criminal history, checked against the U.S. databases)
    d) Working knowledge of written & spoken English. Why pay coyotes to smuggle you when you can pay for classes instead?

    (And those here already get to apply under the same conditions)

    6) Whack the employers if they're knowingly hiring illegal aliens; and come down like a ton of bricks if they haven't been paying the proper taxes.

    7) Through having a clear and efficient work permit process, and reducing demand for those who can't get permits but holding employers accountable...

    Border Patrol can come down like a ton of bricks on whoever is still crossing the border because there probably is a truly nefarious reason why.

    Let's not go down a silly War on Drugs path with Immigration. Legalize them and bring them into the system in a consistent and long-term manner so they're paying taxes and receiving fair benefits.

    Matt

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    I agree, Matt.
    I am using the term "illegal immigrant" to refer to those who are living here from another country illegally. Same to me as "illegal alien." Semantics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emtbff927
    A contractor is anyone who "hires" contract labor. If they are contract workers, they are technically not "employees," and I never said they were. Contract workers must pay the taxes themselves (their employer doesn't file for them). Many workers don't pay these taxes, and because they have fake ID's they can get away with it. I explained this twice before...
    Actually you are only partially correct and most of it lies in your choice of words. Many contractors have payroll employees that they are responsible from deducting money from for taxes. Any person working for a contractor, but not an actual employee is considered a sub-contractor. Contractors are SUPPOSED to deduct the taxes from their employees paychecks and, I know (as well as you do) that isn't always the case, but that's what is supposed to happen. The way around that is to pay employees as sub-contractors

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    Great post man. Hit a lot of key points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emtbff927
    Nope, I will graduate with all the classes I need. If you want to be my academic advisor for next semester I'd first suggest getting a doctoral degree. Now, let's please try to debate points without making cheap satire. I read enough of that for literature class.
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    Actually you are only partially correct and most of it lies in your choice of words. Many contractors have payroll employees that they are responsible from deducting money from for taxes. Any person working for a contractor, but not an actual employee is considered a sub-contractor. Contractors are SUPPOSED to deduct the taxes from their employees paychecks and, I know (as well as you do) that isn't always the case, but that's what is supposed to happen. The way around that is to pay employees as sub-contractors
    Yes, you re-worded exactly what I wrote. Except you used the term "sub-conrtactors" where I used the term "contract workers." Semantics.

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    Academic advisors give academic advice to keep you on the road to a degree, sometimes you need classes that get you ahead in life and thus need a life advisor.
    So, one of your arguments in this discussion on illegal immigration ("illegal aliens") is that I should take a course based on your suggestion to "get ahead in life" and need a "life advisor"? ooooook
    I'm doing great in my studies without you as my "life advisor." Thanks for the random inquire that distracts from the actual topic of discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by emtbff927
    Yes, you re-worded exactly what I wrote
    Not quite. If you think that, I suggest you reread both our posts again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by emtbff927
    Yes, you re-worded exactly what I wrote. Except you used the term "sub-conrtactors" where I used the term "contract workers." Semantics.
    Contractors on construction sites are not contract workers, and good ones do not use contract workers for most work.
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    Contractors on construction sites are not contract workers, and good ones do not use contract workers for most work.
    What do you mean by the "contractors"? Are you referring to general contractors or sub-contractors? Either way, it's still semantics because Both could have independent contractors working for them. Workers may be indepent contractors or employees...this not only applies to the construction industry, but other businesses as well. A person who is legally eligible to work as a contract laborer, be them independent or sub-contractor, if the individual has a false ID and the person paying them relies on that number to be legal, then they (the one paying the worker) didn't break the law, but the worker who didn't pay the tax did.

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