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    Default Watch Out Face Shields

    Did you see the new add for the Defender Visor from Cairns? Dosen't look too bad and could give all other forms of eye protection a run.....
    http://media.msanet.com/NA/USA/FireH...enderVisor.pdf

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    Looks interesting. Impossible to wear with an SCBA mask which my department requires... not sure why... does anyone else require visor down even with mask on?

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    why does your dept make you wear eye shields while your facepiece is on???
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    Looks like they don't make them for real helmets, so I guess we'll be sticking with Bourkes. I'm sure the first time something knocks your helmet forward and they smash down on the bridge of your nose, you'll be cursing them.

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    It would be nice but my department still would make me wear goggles. Our safety commitee said that shields were not allowed, just goggles now. So, I have to take a darn shield off my helmet and put on goggles... even though my shield is NFPA approved. I wonder if they would allow this thing though

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    I wonder how well they would fit your mug and schnoz ? I do like them better than the goggles for asthetics............HMMMMMMMMMM have watch'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl
    why does your dept make you wear eye shields while your facepiece is on???
    I do not know. That's why I was curious if it was a common practice.
    Evidently, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauffer6
    I'm sure the first time something knocks your helmet forward and they smash down on the bridge of your nose, you'll be cursing them.

    I thought the same thing...
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    Interesting....... Would definitely have to try one before I'd buy it......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Firetacoma1
    Looks interesting. Impossible to wear with an SCBA mask which my department requires... not sure why... does anyone else require visor down even with mask on?

    WHAT? To answer your question. NO.

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    That reminds me of Timbukthree's one hit song....

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    looks like it would be very uncomfortable to me.

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    If your dept makes you wear the shield down when you have your SCBA on, then they may not know that this hampers your vision and according to the NFPA gods (or demons) is not necessary. The Lens in your face mask counts as proper eye protection.

    I agree with whoever made the comment on not working for real helmets. I wear a leather myself.
    I do see this as a great alternative to the POS 4" Faceshield. It looks like it has some type of nose piece. I can't remember ever having my old 1010 tip forward on me(at least when the chin strap was on and the ratchet tightened down.
    To me it looks like someone took the closeness to the eyes of the bourkes and combined that with the wrap around protection of the faceshield.....
    this is a Try before you buy product for sure.

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    Looks like it may have potential, I might test drive one if they ever make it to fit leathers.

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    Personally I don't like it. Looks like star trek or something.

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    Looks like they had some parts left over from the FireKnight helmet, I may call and see if these will actually fit mine, would like to have some kind of tint for the inside shield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nyckftbl
    why does your dept make you wear eye shields while your facepiece is on???
    Are you going to be on air while doing a dash lift? or cutting rebar from a trench collapse?


    Those look fancy, but you're still likely to get a chunk of slag up in there or something. I'll stick to goggles.

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    We have flip down visors attached to the rim of the helmet.

    You wear it DOWN when on SCBA at all times, You wear it DOWN when operating any machinery or squirting water.

    The biggest advantage in a fire situation if things go pear shaped on you, had it happen.

    The visor was that burnt and smoke / muck encrusted it was worthless, but myself and my offsider could flip it out of the way and see our way out of the building.

    Thats why we wear visors on the lids and use them.
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    I think it sucks. The whole purpose of eye wear is to have SEALED protection for the eye.

    So, I will stick with my goggles.
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    I've said it many times and I'll say it again. (of course this is only my opinion but I didn't just fall off the turnip truck) The only type of eye protection worth a damn aside from your SCBA mask is a good pair of clean, well maintained safety glasses stored in a hard case in your pocket when not in use. Anything on your helmet moves when you helmet does and after a fire or two you can't see through them anyway so they are useless.

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    Those would suck if you had to wear prescription glasses. Also it looks like it would be uncomfortable if your face is shaped oddly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU
    I think it sucks. The whole purpose of eye wear is to have SEALED protection for the eye.

    So, I will stick with my goggles.
    Remember though, this new shield is replacing the 4" shield or bourkes, which are SECONDARY eye protection. They aren't meant to replace your goggles or primary eye protection.

    With that said, I agree that it would have to be a try before you buy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebFire
    Remember though, this new shield is replacing the 4" shield or bourkes, which are SECONDARY eye protection. They aren't meant to replace your goggles or primary eye protection.

    With that said, I agree that it would have to be a try before you buy.

    Why would I need secondary if my primary (goggles) are working fine?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU
    Why would I need secondary if my primary (goggles) are working fine?
    You wouldn't. But I just wanted to be clear that this isn't meant to be primary eye protection, so we shouldn't argue about how it doesn't do the job of primary eye protection.

    Besides, let's be honest. Most FF don't wear primary eye protection for alot of things, mostly overhaul. They use the shield or bourkes. Not saying it's right or wrong, just saying it's real life.

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    No thanks. I'll stick with my tried and true Bourkes.
    FWIW, is it just me or does it seem like MSA has teetotally screwed up the venerable Cairns line of helmets? Even the new leather helmets look weird.

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