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    I have been using my TL-2 since March. I love it. I have been very happy with it. I love the fact that I can bend the leather to how I see fit. I do not have the bourkes on it. I am thinking about addinf them though.
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    Any idea if the 6" conway shield will fit on the tl2?

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    I haven't been too impressed with the N6A now that I have had it in a few workers. The paint chipped off quickly and I have cracks in the seams already. Guess I will be sending it to have it looked at.

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    I know its not hands on but the San Fransisco Fire Department seems to use a lot of them. check out this website http://www.thebattalion.tv/ for video of SFFD. There are some good close ups in episode 4 and others. I too am considering purchasing this helmet. It just seems wider in the rear than the N6A any truth to this or am I seeing things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golzy12 View Post
    Any idea if the 6" conway shield will fit on the tl2?
    any 6 1/4 shield will fit the phenix

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    I haven't been too impressed with the N6A now that I have had it in a few workers. The paint chipped off quickly and I have cracks in the seams already. Guess I will be sending it to have it looked at.
    ive heard this alot from cairns users. I hear most guys wind up sanding thier factory paint or burn it up and rattle can high temp paint over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwadler View Post
    I know its not hands on but the San Fransisco Fire Department seems to use a lot of them. check out this website http://www.thebattalion.tv/ for video of SFFD. There are some good close ups in episode 4 and others. I too am considering purchasing this helmet. It just seems wider in the rear than the N6A any truth to this or am I seeing things.
    I was actually planning on getting the tl2 for sure until i saw it in the battalion, the helmet looked really long and wide in the show. It would be great if someone had a comparison pic of the TL2 and another helmet.

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    I have been using high temp black paint to touch up myne already. But what I am concerned about is the leather cracking at the seams where the helmet shell meets the brim.

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    I dont remember who the forum member it but I think he works in the florida area. He had a N6A and the bought a Phenix leather. Maybe if that individual has the two helmets he could be of some assistance in comparing the two.

    A sugestion for anyone who does it maybe a direct over head view would be good to compare the two.

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    Default Two lids are better than one

    I have both a TL2 and Cairns Leather.. The TL2 has become my daily (well whenever we get a shout) wearer, my Cairns, still like it, but had major issues with paint flaking off, so I had it repainted and now it's my reserve.

    Like the TL2 just fine, second those who say the headband seems flimsy, ended up putting doublesided tape on the front band as it kept riding up.

    Anyway, will post some pics of side by sides for those that care.

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    The reason the Phenix leather has some wrinkles in it is because it is not resin-soaked like the Cairns lids are. The resins are what make the leather stiff and rigid. The Phenix leather is pliable and considerably softer than Cairns. The helmet holds its shape just fine, but it can be rather easily reshaped to suit the wearer's taste without having to heat it first in order to soften it.

    My lid has been fantastic. It sees a good bit of action and is holding up extremely well. Hell, it still has all it original paint and I'm already on my second shield...Cairns-MSA can't even come close to that.
    I much prefer the TL-2 over either of my two previous Cairns leathers.

    IF I were to ever get another Cairns, it would be an old 5A that is pre-impact cap. IMHO, those are the only leathers that rival the comfort, fit and weight of the Phenix.

    I'll try to get a few side-by-side pics of my different lids for comparison and get 'em posted, but it may be several days.




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    I look forward to the photos and thank you to everyone who has contributed here. I am considering purchasing a leather helmet and I think the phenix is it.

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    So does the TL2 not have an impact caplike the N6A?

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    The Phenix leather is garbage. I sold them for while. I ened up eating the cost on more than one. The company is extremely difficult to deal with as well.

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    anyone have a picture of the cairns and phenix next to one another?

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    i just ordered a phenix leather. Does it come with paperwork stating that is NFPA compliant. I know it is, my chief just wants some documentation. THanks alot. Also will a paul conway NY style shield fit on this lid? Thanks alot!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassFireGuy View Post
    One more thing about the Phenix leather. The leather is so soft it gets wrinkles in it. The leather will almost tear. My was ruined after about 6 months worth of work. They just don't hold up.
    Yo- If the damage was on actual incidents (not training) and your Chief will back it, Ray at Phenix might replace it for you- Free of cost.

    Call them and explain the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCA1386 View Post
    i just ordered a phenix leather. Does it come with paperwork stating that is NFPA compliant. I know it is, my chief just wants some documentation. THanks alot. Also will a paul conway NY style shield fit on this lid? Thanks alot!!!!
    Usually any helmet that is NFPA comliant will have a sticker on the under side of the rear brim or inside the shell stating its NFPA comliancy.

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    ehs..thanks...just making sure something comes with it...dont want to waste 400 bux for nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCA1386 View Post
    i just ordered a phenix leather. Does it come with paperwork stating that is NFPA compliant. I know it is, my chief just wants some documentation. THanks alot. Also will a paul conway NY style shield fit on this lid? Thanks alot!!!!
    I believe that the literature that comes with the helmet states that it is NFPA compliant.

    The shield should fit with little, to no adjustment needed. If there is any difference at all, it will be the location of the mounting studs, but the existing holes in your current shield should line up almost exactly.
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    thanks for the info....very excited to get the helmet!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MassFireGuy View Post
    One more thing about the Phenix leather. The leather is so soft it gets wrinkles in it. The leather will almost tear. My was ruined after about 6 months worth of work. They just don't hold up.
    I'd like to see that lid. What did you do to ruin it so quickly?

    I give mine hell and it is FAR superior to my previous Cairns lids in durability. It has been in high heat, tossed around, dropped and had all kinds of crap fall on it. I just hose it off and it's ready to go. I'm currently on my second shield and I couldn't be happier with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCA1386 View Post
    thanks for the info....very excited to get the helmet!!!!

    Where did you buy it?
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    Here is a fairly current pic...

    Well, I'll get a pic up as soon as I can...
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    lt...i got it from an ebay seller....paid 415.00 without bourkes...i will install them later i think

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    Here are some pictures of Kevin's Phenix TL2.
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