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    Quote Originally Posted by cap6888 View Post
    I am sure this has been asked before, but can you take out the ratchet like an N6A? Thanks

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    no, the ratchet is very integrated with the suspension

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    Thanks........anyone know what the "nape strap" is that they list as an option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cap6888 View Post
    Thanks........anyone know what the "nape strap" is that they list as an option?

    It's a strap that holds your nape and keeps it from sagging. I didn't order it with mine...I don't need one quite yet.
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    I took my ratchet out. It works out perfect for me though. Make sure before you do it though.

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    OK...so Christmas depleted my overtime that I was going to use to buy my lid...so I won't get mine for a while.

    I know there are others in Tennessee who HAVE Phenix...so where are you and what would it take to put it on my head for a few minutes?



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    Quote Originally Posted by NismoFire View Post
    OK...so Christmas depleted my overtime that I was going to use to buy my lid...so I won't get mine for a while.

    I know there are others in Tennessee who HAVE Phenix...so where are you and what would it take to put it on my head for a few minutes?



    Kevin, Handtub should recruit you. Haha.
    I'll settle for 10% off the top.

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    OK...so Christmas depleted my overtime that I was going to use to buy my lid...so I won't get mine for a while.

    I know there are others in Tennessee who HAVE Phenix...so where are you and what would it take to put it on my head for a few minutes?



    Kevin, Handtub should recruit you. Haha.

    Have you tried Ebay?

    I just bought a almost brand new N6a with Bourkes, ESS goggles, door hinge lock and light for 384 with shipping

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    What is TOP GRADE Veg-Tanned leather? Is it real leather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSNCAIN1 View Post
    What is TOP GRADE Veg-Tanned leather? Is it real leather?
    No, it's actually a synthetic leather. It comes from man-made cows.
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    vegetable tanning
    The process of converting the protein (collagen and its related proteins) of a raw hide or skin into LEATHER by means of vegetable materials. Vegetable tanning produces a relatively dense leather, one that is firm and solid and yields a high weight of leather per unit of raw stock. It also produces a leather that is pale brown in color, and which tends to darken upon exposure to natural light. Depending upon the finishing treatment employed, the tanning material washes out of the leather very slowly.
    Vegetable tannages are used to produce bookbinding leather not only because of tradition, but because they produce leathers having a soft drape and handle (in addition to their firmness), which retain applied grain patterns particularly well. Unless specifically treated, however, vegetable tanned leathers have but little water resistance.

    The classical method of vegetable tanning, especially where flatness of the leather (and particularly of the grain surface) is of great importance, as with bookbinding leather, is pit tannage-usually accomplished by means of suspension in a rocker vat. Traditionally the skins are limed and unhaired, and delimed to a pH of 4.0 to 5.0, bated (and sometimes drenched with bran or acetic acid). The stock is then suspended as smoothly and flatly as possible in rocker vats containing used or new tanning liquor of a relatively low BARKOMETER reading. The strength of the tan liquor is gradually increased (the stock being transferred into pits containing progressively stronger liquor) until the tanning has just penetrated through the entire thickness of the skin, i.e., it has struck through. Splitting, if required and if not done previously, finishing, etc., are then carried out after drying.

    The traditional method of vegetable tanning was slow and expensive and, furthermore, did not always give the characteristics desired in the leather. Not only was there sometimes too much firmness to the leather, but frequently the color of the leather was not as pale or as uniform as it can be made by the use of more modern methods of tanning.

    The use of stronger liquors, mechanical action, pH control, and control of the contents of acids and salts have enabled the tanner to produce satisfactory leather in a much shorter time, and efforts are constantly being made to reduce the time of tannage even further. Increased mechanical action, such as drumming, accelerates the speed of tannin penetration but also results in pebbling of the grain, unless some form of pre-tannage is employed. Some tanners in both Europe and the United States employ such systems, in which a comparatively short rocker pit tannage is used to assure sufficient tannage to protect at least the outer quarter or third of the stock, with the stock then being drummed with strong liquors so as to rapidly tan the interior of the corium. There are many variations of this method, ranging from stock struck through in the rocker pits, and then being tumbled in liquors of 100 Bk. or more for as long as 48 hours, to stock only partially penetrated and then being hung on sticks in slowly rotating rotors, being drawn through a comparatively small volume of tanning liquor of gradually increasing strength.

    Leather to be used for bookbinding should be tanned to give a pale, uniform, biscuit shade-one which can be readily dyed and finished in a variety of colors. The tannins in the leather should be well fixed and not easily removed by wetting the leather, otherwise they may cause stains when the leather is paste-washed or otherwise moistened.

    Light leathers, e.g., goatskins, calfskins, etc., in the finished state, are usually sold on the basis of area (price per square foot); therefore, there is not the temptation to fix an unduly high proportion of tan on the fibers, as is sometimes done in the case of leathers sold by weight. Overly prolonged vegetable tannage is to be avoided as it may cause difficulties in dyeing and finishing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHR1985 View Post
    Have you tried Ebay?

    I just bought a almost brand new N6a with Bourkes, ESS goggles, door hinge lock and light for 384 with shipping

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    BUYING it is the easy part....finding one to put on my head BEFORE I drop that kind of money is the hard part.
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    You can always order one and if you don't like it just return it.

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    yea after seeing all the phenix i had to put mine back in service!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdfd504 View Post
    You can always order one and if you don't like it just return it.

    I had never laid eyes on a TL-2, except in photos, until mine was delivered.

    Dave at Handtub Junction told me that if for ANY reason I was unhappy with the lid, he would take it back and refund me every penny I paid for it...Including all shipping charges both ways.

    That, and the life-time warranty on the helmet from Phenix was all it took for me to place my order.

    Dave ain't gettin' my lid back!
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    Talk me into it, Kevin....



    You're doing a damn good job already. LoL.
    Put THAT in your pump and flow it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NismoFire View Post
    Talk me into it, Kevin....



    You're doing a damn good job already. LoL.
    Workin' on that 10%!
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireman4949 View Post
    Workin' on that 10%!




    Hahahahaha. You're a funny guy.



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    Me too I just need another two days of overtime and I will be getting one can't wait.

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    Hey I can get a great deal on a TL-2 helmet on eBay does anyone know if you can paint the phenix helmets like the cairns or what. The one I am looking at is black but my dept wears yellow can I pain it or should I just get a new one? I know it suck we were yellow but we can't seem to change our chiefs mind. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Jeff

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    Quote Originally Posted by giweff View Post
    Hey I can get a great deal on a TL-2 helmet on eBay does anyone know if you can paint the phenix helmets like the cairns or what. The one I am looking at is black but my dept wears yellow can I pain it or should I just get a new one? I know it suck we were yellow but we can't seem to change our chiefs mind. So any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Jeff

    Jeff,

    If your looking at the ones on ebay for $425, I don't think that seller includes a custom leather shield. That's about $35-$40. The shield is included when you buy it from a dealer. Then having to deal with the hassle of having to re-paint it...

    I'd go to Handtub Junction and get it right the first time. But that's just me.
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    Fireman4949 is right. I just bought six TL2s for our department from HandTub Junction. Dave will take good care of you! Thanks to all who posted on this thread, you helped make our decision on the Phenix!

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    Default Great Thread!

    This thread has great information...exactly what this forum is designed to do. I have been thinking about getting a leather helmet and originally had thought about getting a Cairns. After reading this thread and getting info on a Cairns thread I posted, I have decided to go with a Phenix. I too, have contacted Handtub junction to get pricing and ask questions...GREAT customer service, even though I told them it would be a little while before I order. Thanks for all the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firechief47 View Post
    Fireman4949 is right. I just bought six TL2s for our department from HandTub Junction. Dave will take good care of you! Thanks to all who posted on this thread, you helped make our decision on the Phenix!

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    Hey Ben,

    It was a pleasure to finally get to meet you the other day! You have an open invitation to come by and have lunch with us whenever you'd like.

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    Hey Kevin,
    I sent you a PM I hope you don't mind. Let me know what you think.
    Thanks again,
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    Quote Originally Posted by giweff View Post
    Hey Kevin,
    I sent you a PM I hope you don't mind. Let me know what you think.
    Thanks again,
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    PM back at ya!
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