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    Catch22

    Correct me if I'm wrong but your last post says the same thing Kerry said.
    If your not smart enough to go to college you should go into the military.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CpaceEng1
    Catch22

    Correct me if I'm wrong but your last post says the same thing Kerry said.
    If your not smart enough to go to college you should go into the military.
    Wow
    No, that's not what it says. It says that I think it's a good idea for those who drop out of school or choose not to go to college. I know a number of people who are VERY intelligent who dropped out, and even more that didn't go to college.

    My point was that I feel the structure provided and taught by the military is benificial for a lot of kids these days. Too many kids are leaving school with no direction in life, no respect for authority, etc. I also believe the fire service is another alternative to learn those values. Or police academies for that matter.

    I would not DARE to disrespect our military. My grandfathers, father, uncle, and family members beyond that who served. I tried my damndest to get in myself, but could not (heart defect that wouldn't allow me to pass the physical). The quasi-military atmosphere of the fire service is part of what drew me to this profession.

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    Regardless of what political suit John Boy wears (I could care less)....his comments just reaffirm the old adage of 'put brain into gear before opening mouth'. Dumb*****.
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    I have to admire this strategy by the national Republican Party -- mounting a last-minute campaign against someone who is not running for office! The strategy will be 100% effective. Kerry will not win next Tuesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum
    Added House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., struggling to keep his party in control of Congress: "Our soldiers risk their lives in the face of grave dangers on the battlefield, and no one who chooses to courageously and selflessly defend our country can be considered 'uneducated.'"
    And how would Hastert know this? Perhaps he could regale us with a good 'there I was' story during his service in uniform. Or maybe he was too busy covering up for pedophiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    And how would Hastert know this? Perhaps he could regale us with a good 'there I was' story during his service in uniform. Or maybe he was too busy covering up for pedophiles.
    Are you saying only veterans have ownership of "respect" or can defend the honor of our military?
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    ...the Democrat's months-long campaign against someone who is not running for office.

    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86
    I have to admire this strategy by the national Republican Party -- mounting a last-minute campaign against someone who is not running for office! The strategy will be 100% effective. Kerry will not win next Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheChicagoKid
    You shouldn't call this the LIBERAL view. There are liberals who disagree with Senator Kerry and his opinions, Don't forget that. It might be his view on the military, but not mine and i'd like to consider my self a liberal.
    Ditto. I didn't want Kerry as our candidate for President last time, and I don't want him next time. In a roundabout way, I'm happy that he's putting his foot in his mouth now so we'll be rid of him - at least as a presidential candidate - by the time we get to the '08 primary.

    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED
    I would think that his comments reflect the view not only of liberals but also conservatives...both usually comming from money $$$.
    That's a better characterization than anything being spun out by either side right now.

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    Don't forget that Kerry was the official candidate of the IAFF. Funny this happens while in the Deval Patrick thread questioning the the IAFF's choices is taboo.

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    Came across this pic.
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    What sort of an idiot makes a joke or should I say, was supposedly trying to make a joke, about another guy's level of education, when the other guy graduated from the same college as the first?

    And the other guy who's supposedly the intended butt of the joke stayed in school longer and earned a higher degree than the guy who's trying to make a funny?

    And the inept funnyman was trying to make this supposed joke about the Harvard MBA's level of education, to an audience of community college losers?

    Doesn't make much sense to me.

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    Wonder if he questioned Pat Tillmans intelligence.

    Rest in peace brother.....

    College educated and walked away from millions he earned, not married into.

    He was for the joke before he was against it
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoughRider
    Wonder if he questioned Pat Tillmans intelligence.

    Rest in peace brother.....

    College educated and walked away from millions he earned, not married into.

    He was for the joke before he was against it
    The guy was a football player, I question the guys intellegence but it has nothing to do with him enlisting! Although he should have gone Marines!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DennisTheMenace
    The guy was a football player, I question the guys intellegence but it has nothing to do with him enlisting! Although he should have gone Marines!

    Gotta agree with you on that one Dennis.

    And going to college - any college - does nto imply that you are intelligent. Does not mean that you were smart (Ted Kennedy got booted from Harvard for cheating). I went to Duke. Does this mean that I am smart? Hell no.

    Some of the most intelligent people I have met are not college graduates. Many have an Associates. They are intelligent people.

    John Kerry, well he is a blithering idiot. And this statement will haunt him like a dog in 2 years if he is stupid enough to run again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    Gotta agree with you on that one Dennis.

    And going to college - any college - does nto imply that you are intelligent. Does not mean that you were smart (Ted Kennedy got booted from Harvard for cheating). I went to Duke. Does this mean that I am smart? Hell no.

    Some of the most intelligent people I have met are not college graduates. Many have an Associates. They are intelligent people.

    John Kerry, well he is a blithering idiot. And this statement will haunt him like a dog in 2 years if he is stupid enough to run again.
    Sign me up too. I've met and managed many college educated people who were scholastic wiz-kids....but couldn't hit their ***** with both hands. Knowledge is power yes, but if you don't know how to use it you might as well have stayed home.

    I'll be soooooooo glad when the bloody elections are over. The idiots will still be around, but at least they won't have quite as much TV time.
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    Why do you guys waste your time bad mouthing your brothers over a couple millionaires playing politics. Both Bush and Kerry, are sworn members of The Order of the Skull and Bones. Bonesmen believe that the United States should be the first in the New World order. To achieve this, the Order believes in "constructive chaos." Keeping true intentions secret by constantly sending out mixed signals on all critical policy issues, and keeping sacrosanct their self-created vision of New World warriors. Both Bush and Kerry appear to be victims of this self-aggrandized thinking. Bonesmen have an affinity for the theory in which the State is absolute and individuals are granted their freedom based on their obedience to the State.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfdlou
    Why do you guys waste your time bad mouthing your brothers over a couple millionaires playing politics. Both Bush and Kerry, are sworn members of The Order of the Skull and Bones. Bonesmen believe that the United States should be the first in the New World order. To achieve this, the Order believes in "constructive chaos." Keeping true intentions secret by constantly sending out mixed signals on all critical policy issues, and keeping sacrosanct their self-created vision of New World warriors. Both Bush and Kerry appear to be victims of this self-aggrandized thinking. Bonesmen have an affinity for the theory in which the State is absolute and individuals are granted their freedom based on their obedience to the State.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoughRider
    Wonder if he questioned Pat Tillmans intelligence.

    Rest in peace brother.....

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    Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, was discharged in 2005
    By Kevin Tillman

    It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we get out.

    Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

    Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

    Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

    Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

    Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

    Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

    Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

    Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

    Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

    Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

    Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

    Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

    Somehow torture is tolerated.

    Somehow lying is tolerated.

    Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

    Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

    Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

    Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

    Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

    Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

    Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

    Somehow this is tolerated.

    Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

    In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

    Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

    Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

    Kevin Tillman

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoughRider
    Are you saying only veterans have ownership of "respect" or can defend the honor of our military?
    With all the issues Hastert has with his own group (sexual predators, bribery etc) he might want to refrain from bashing others.
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