The true libral veiw of the military.

[scfire86]

This thread is about how a US Senetor called US enlisted personnel "stupid"...in so many words....not about a slim ball, kid toucher. Stop diverting and spining from what this POS said...and has said about the US Military in the past. He was and is wrong....bottom line.

Now you're putting words in his mouth that he didn't say. Shame on you.

But in the end it will matter not....because somewere, someplace, some "dumb" kid is protecting his right to say what he wants....sleep on that John boy.....then when he wakes up....I hope he goes and F..ks himself.

Nice.

[scfire86]

In other words, Gerry Studds is more in line with Democratic values than Mark Foley is with Republican values. Well, you said it, not me.

Wrong again. I never said any such thing. I said the repubs have campaigned on those values. And Foley was leading the charge on protecting the children.

Only he wasn't, because they DIDN'T deal with him. The re-nominated him and even made him a committee chairman.

He didn't do anything wrong. You keep forgetting that little fact.

And last I checked, providing alcohol and drugs to a minor was against the law, even if buggering a 16-year-old in DC isn't.

Apparently those more informed on the issue believed otherwise.

In any case, this is all far removed from the point of the thread, which is that Kerry, an extremely prominant Democrat and (until yesterday) likely candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination in '08, insulted millions of people and should apologize.

As noted. He has. Are you going to accept or just keep whining like a little boy who complains to his mommy that his brother is looking at him funny.

[Catch22]

As noted. He has. Are you going to accept or just keep whining like a little boy who complains to his mommy that his brother is looking at him funny.

No offense to you, but that's NOT an apology. I would recommend something like "I would like to apologize to our men and women in the military, their families, and my fellow citizens for my remarks." Not--

"Of course I'm sorry about a botched joke. You think I love botched jokes?" Kerry said during an appearance Wednesday on Don Imus' nationally syndicated radio program. "I mean, you know, it's pretty stupid."

Sorry if I'm not moved by it.

[scfire86]

Sorry if I'm not moved by it.

"Mommy....John Kerry is looking at me funny. Make him stop."

[VinnieB]

Now you're putting words in his mouth that he didn't say. Shame on you.


Nice.

Spin it how you want....EVERYONE knows what he ment by it....no matter how eloquant he put what he said, its not the first time.
And as a brother stated before....Kerry doesn't rate to carry the returing vets dirty laundry bag..........so yeah....He can go F..K himself.

[randsc]

Apparently, providing drugs and alcohol to minors ISN'T against the law, if you are sufficiently well-informed.

And as long as they don't respond to their pagers after drinking

[VinnieB]

"Mommy....John Kerry is looking at me funny. Make him stop."

Yeah....you do the same with Bush and anyone who is associated with that party......come on....your High Horses back is getting sore.

[randsc]

He didn't do anything wrong. You keep forgetting that little fact.

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If he didn't, neither did Foley. Everyone invloved in both situations was of consenting age in DC. And again, there is that whole feeding the kid a Mickey Finn thing, which most people find a least a little "wrong"

The fact is Foley and Studds are (in Studd's case, was) perverted creeps.

I'm hearing that Kerry has now issued a semi-real apology. We'll see. If it contains anything like, "I'm sorry if people were offended" as opposed to "I'm sorry I said something offensive" than, no, I don't accept. And if he claims to have been misinterpreted or taken out of context, he is a flat liar.

[Catch22]

"Mommy....John Kerry is looking at me funny. Make him stop."

About the response I would expect. I suppose if someone shot you and turned around and apologized for buying a gun illegally, it'd be alright and you'd refuse to press charges?

Lemme guess, "that's different." When Kerry stands up, says he screwed up (since apparently there's two different things he was supposed to say, neither of which came out of his mouth) and apologizes like a man, I might feel different. His refusal to apologize just shows his arrogance.

[scfire86]

Spin it how you want....EVERYONE knows what he ment by it....no matter how eloquant he put what he said, its not the first time.
And as a brother stated before....Kerry doesn't rate to carry the returing vets dirty laundry bag..........so yeah....He can go F..K himself.

Nice.

I believe Kerry should apologize right after Bush apologizes for the mistakes he's made in sending troops to Iraq? Will they admit they botched sending our troops to Iraq too soon and not having a plan for them?

Will they ever admit they lied to us when they tried to insist a connection between Hussain and Bin Laden? Will they admit they messed up when Cheney said "last throws?" Will they apologize to the people of the gulf coast for bungling the response to Katrina?

Please tell me how sending people to war with no plan and inadequate support demonstrates a commitment to our men and women in uniform.

Please tell me how spending billions of dollars on a war that is clearly going nowhere isn't a mistake?

Kerry makes a slip of the tongue and Republicans get all fired up about his so-called disrespect for the troops; yet our President misleads us to war where people are dying.

Let the President keep talking about Iraq, to the 30 or so percent of the people that still support him and the war love it.

[scfire86]

Apparently, providing drugs and alcohol to minors ISN'T against the law, if you are sufficiently well-informed.

And as long as they don't respond to their pagers after drinking

Like I pointed out earlier, those closer to the issue (i.e. law enforcement) believed otherwise.

[scfire86]

About the response I would expect. I suppose if someone shot you and turned around and apologized for buying a gun illegally, it'd be alright and you'd refuse to press charges?

Lemme guess, "that's different." When Kerry stands up, says he screwed up (since apparently there's two different things he was supposed to say, neither of which came out of his mouth) and apologizes like a man, I might feel different. His refusal to apologize just shows his arrogance.

And you're refusal to accept only shows you really don't care what he would have said.

According to this story you are now at odds with the White House. Only reinforcing my point about your attitudes on the matter. My analogy to the little boy whining to his mom is more accurate than I thought.

Excerpt:

The White House accepted Kerry's statement as a legitimate apology.

"Senator Kerry's apology to the troops for his insulting comments came late but it was the right thing to do," White House deputy press secretary Dana Perino said.

[LuckyThirteen]

Will they apologize to the people of the gulf coast for bungling the response to Katrina?

You want someone to apologize for the Katrina disaster, look no further than the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA. But that's a discussion for another thread.

[scfire86]

You want someone to apologize for the Katrina disaster, look no further than the Mayor of NO and the Governor of LA. But that's a discussion for another thread.

I won't short you on that one. There is plenty of ineptitude that needs to be owned up and accepted.

[LuckyThirteen]

Don't get me wrong, I agree that the Federal response needed overhauling, but too many (I'm not saying you meant it that way) people want to place all the blame for the whole debacle on the Federal goverment when alot could have been avoided in advance of the storm. For that reason, I just felt the need to get that off my chest.

[Steeda83]

anyone else think this should be in the off-duty forums since it has nothing to do with firefighting

[Catch22]

And you're refusal to accept only shows you really don't care what he would have said.

According to this story you are now at odds with the White House. Only reinforcing my point about your attitudes on the matter. My analogy to the little boy whining to his mom is more accurate than I thought.

The White House accepted Kerry's statement as a legitimate apology.

Actually, until the article you posted, I have not seen a true apology from Kerry. So, now he's apologized. I'll let it rest (I don't think I'll change my mind about him as a person, though). The previous statement from his was not an apology by any means. As far as I'm concerned, dems and reps can drop it (not that they will).

[FlyingKiwi]

A West Point graduate emails The National Review, regarding Kerry’s botched joke.

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Ms. Lopez,

Thanks for link to U-toob. Me not understand big words bout kerry. Like pictures better.

BOY, it Hard to rite e-male with crayon.

Very respectfully,

major

Camp slayer, Bahgdad, iraq

[SPFDRum]

I have to laugh at title of this thread. As if Kerry represented all liberals. It would be like me accusing all conservatives of treating children like Mark Foley.

Really, and who is flying non-stop around the country to drum up support for the democratic party? Proof, look at the number of stops cancelled by those very same democrats after the statement.

anyone else think this should be in the off-duty forums since it has nothing to do with firefighting

I wish that was true, but it isn't. It's the very same party that my union wants us to support in perfect commie lock step. Be damned the many vets we have on the department.
The bottom line is, I don't vote socially. People are not victims do to race color or creed. I do not feel guilty leaving those that do not wish to evolve or assimulate into our culture behind. I don't believe there is a man holding anyone back. I do believe I am making a fair wage for what I do, and I don't believe in subsidising someone who don't even attempt to earn a living
But I do believe in morals and ALL the constitutional addmendments-even the 2nd. The real amazing part is I am a vet and a civil servant, somehow, and for some reason the librals can't fathom, I don't feel cheated for not obtaining some degree. Even though these same liberals feel I am somehow inferior to them because of this. Yet I am still a productive tax paying memeber of society. How can this be?

[scfire86]

A West Point graduate emails The National Review, regarding Kerry’s botched joke.

The troops know how to deal with these types of matters. Sadly I think I went to HS with several of these guys and their spelling's improved.