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    I got a DJ yesterday... I hope it is not mine. I can't log onto the site and check (Help desk said it would be up in about one hour).... I hope it is another department that just used my email address!

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    Got mine yesterday... and Kurt you hit it on the head....

    They whizzed through them due too lack of time ( procrastination and waiting till the last minute to file)
    I have nobody to blame but myself for being in the waiting to the last minute category. I worried about the narrative and you were of tremendous help, but I've done this before... successfully 3 times(2 fire and 1 fire prevention) so I don't know what I was thinking. I know full well the narrative is useless unless you can beat the computer. Oh well, hopefully there is next year where I can learn from my mistakes.

    Not to mention I can't complain having gotten a totally new radio and repeater system, new scba and a fire prevention robot since 2002 thanks to our federal government brings my smile back a little bit (as much as it can given I've had no coffee yet!)

    Congrats to those who were successful this year and the rest of us will be back next year!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780
    Geez let's hope they are all out for now and that the delay is them loading up another round of 1199a updates and 10 q's.
    Yea, and let's hope that one of those is ours!

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    Got our DJ yesterday too.
    Makes us 2 for 3 with this being the first failed grant.
    Asking for a New Tanker - knew it was a long shot going in given the relative good condition of the rest of our "fleet" and the highly competative nature of Vehicle Applications.

    Oh well - guess it's time to start having community breakfasts and selling donuts

    Good luck to all those still in the hunt.
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    Wrote eight grants this year, three funded...

    ...today three DJ's.

    Still in the hunt for two more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jdlowndes
    I got a DJ yesterday... I hope it is not mine. I can't log onto the site and check (Help desk said it would be up in about one hour).... I hope it is another department that just used my email address!
    Sorry Justin, it is you guys, and I know you guys were hoping and praying, Next year!
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    Here is my question Kurt - What can we do about the numbers not being right? I mean we operate on a small budget in my dept, around $10,000 a year. That has to pay our truck loans, equipment needs, and daily operating expenses. So really, if the numbers are what they are, what can we do about it?

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    Kurt, All I can really say is that it SUCKS!!! But there is always next year(sounds like I am quoting Mike Shula, Univ. of AL)....

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    Without breaking the law, nothing. It just means that you have to apply for the right project. IE one item family only. I have some customers awarded that got more than 50 times their budget ($118k award for $2k budget), and a lot some fractions of their budget ($160k award for $4.5mil budget). So no single statistic in your application made or broke anyone. It's the collective.

    Now as more and more people learn how the program works and what needs to be done, then the reason more people don't make the computer is because of plain competition: not enough money, too many hands. So some apps for the right thing for the right department will get denied. All you can do is make sure your assessment was done correctly, and your project designed properly based on that assessment. Then spin the wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmattox
    Here is my question Kurt - What can we do about the numbers not being right? I mean we operate on a small budget in my dept, around $10,000 a year. That has to pay our truck loans, equipment needs, and daily operating expenses. So really, if the numbers are what they are, what can we do about it?
    I would have to look at your numbers to tell you where you are going wrong here. Feel free to contact me offline ( see profile) and I will try to help you out here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er
    Without breaking the law, nothing. It just means that you have to apply for the right project. IE one item family only. I have some customers awarded that got more than 50 times their budget ($118k award for $2k budget), and a lot some fractions of their budget ($160k award for $4.5mil budget). So no single statistic in your application made or broke anyone. It's the collective.

    Now as more and more people learn how the program works and what needs to be done, then the reason more people don't make the computer is because of plain competition: not enough money, too many hands. So some apps for the right thing for the right department will get denied. All you can do is make sure your assessment was done correctly, and your project designed properly based on that assessment. Then spin the wheel.
    Right on the money Brian. The #10 reason for rejection of an AFG is plain and simple, they ran out of money. Jdlowndes, look at how many trucks were awarded already in Alabama and you will see what I mean. I think it was something like 50 trucks already, that is huge and means that probabaly 250 departments applied. At some point the computer had to say, "Hey, enough truck applications from Alabama" and it just stops sending them to the peer reviewers.It is possible there is nothing wrong with your application, you simply got beat by others with stronger need.
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    The website is functional again! Checked my ap, no DJ , No 1199 award number either . Just have to keep waiting!

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    Same here Huck...(about 2 hours due south of you, give or take)....Good Luck!!!!

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    Just found our Dear John (aka F.U.) letter on a pumper.

    That makes us 1 for 4. Well on to next years planning and plan B for this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er
    "No Gnews is good Gnews" according to Gary Gnu.

    Bragging rights to whoever else can name that TV Show.

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    Let's hear it for the over 28, under 40 crowd.

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    Originally Posted by BC79er

    Now as more and more people learn how the program works and what needs to be done, then the reason more people don't make the computer is because of plain competition: not enough money, too many hands. So some apps for the right thing for the right department will get denied. All you can do is make sure your assessment was done correctly, and your project designed properly based on that assessment. Then spin the wheel.


    Quote Originally Posted by ktb9780
    Right on the money Brian. The #10 reason for rejection of an AFG is plain and simple, they ran out of money. Jdlowndes, look at how many trucks were awarded already in Alabama and you will see what I mean. I think it was something like 50 trucks already, that is huge and means that probabaly 250 departments applied. At some point the computer had to say, "Hey, enough truck applications from Alabama" and it just stops sending them to the peer reviewers.It is possible there is nothing wrong with your application, you simply got beat by others with stronger need.
    I guess that I'm going to make this my mission, I'm going to bang this drum as often and as louly as I can (probably to the point that you'll be tired of hearing from me).

    We HAVE to make our voices heard in Washington and get the funding level increased!! A combination of better applications and more money to spread around is what's going to reduce the number of us having to say we didn't get to peer review. My department needs a tanker and can't afford to buy one on our own. I know that there's a lot of us out there that need help with apparatus/equipment. We need a bigger pool to fish from!!
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    Got our DJ yesterday we wrote for fire gear and exhaust system

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    Well, after 3 straight successful years we finally struck out with the dreaded Dear John letter for some water supply equipment. Guess we'll try to find another way to get some of it ourselves. Guess I can't complain though, we are included in a regional grant for communication equipment that was awarded last round. I'm going to start planning for requesting some rescue equipment next year. Lift bags, struts, etc. We keep having more and more MVC's each year and I'm afraid we're going to get caught with our pants down one of these times. Any suggestions?
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    Got our Dear john letter Tuesday also. Guess we will keep pushing our old wore out pumper.

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    Thanks guys. That was by no means a complaint about the program. I consider our department rather lucky in many respects, and I am sure there are departments out there with greater need than ours. But just wondering what we could do in the future to get past the computer...

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    Program has been in place for 6 years.
    For 6 years, we have applied to the program.
    And for the 6th straight year, we have been DENIED.
    I have voiced some very strong opinions about the "competitiveness" of this program, but not this time.
    No sour grapes; no sirree. I couldn't be happier that the richest fire district in the entire state of Illinois was awarded. And to those departments who have garnered success in more than one grant year, hats off to you. I guess our little department just can't "compete".
    We will continue to beg, borrow and self pay our way to our needed purchases. Now that we are embarking on Technical Rescue without any federal help and having just purchased a rescue truck without the help of a grant and we will start replacing turnout without the assistance of a grant, because it would be a same if the richest fire district in the state of Illinois couldn't buy a new truck every two years. They NEEDED this grant. They NEEDED to know that they were competitive. Touchdown!
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    One quick question as I scan our application for a clue - "Over the last three years, what was your organization's average TOTAL operating budget?".

    Is this asking for the total budget for three years, or the average per year over three years? Like if our budget was $10,000 a year for the last three years, would the answer here be $10,000 or $30,000?

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