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    Hey whats wrong with 1010's, I've been wearing one for several years? I also have a leather thats hanging on my wall, and will hopefully stay there for a while. I bought it at a flea marlet for $6.00 yes, six, not six hundred and all I had to do was put a new shield on the front of it, the original had been blacked out with a marker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle View Post
    You can give them a call and plead your case. The worse case, they say "no". Others have been successful in restoring partial or even full funding. A $1,500 reduction is not bad......hold a car wash and vacuum the interior....I bet you can vacuum up that amount in loose change.
    Forget the car wash--just offer free vaccuuming!! My car's probably good for $3 to $4.

    earl ($10 if you can get to the bottom of the center console)

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    Our chief said the same thing Bugle...he told me just to take the money and run. Something about not being able to win every arguement...who knows what he means

    Derrick, nothing wrong with 1010's. I love my 1044. That's going to be the next debate...whether we're going to traditional or going to stick with something like a 660.

    Earl, boy have I get a deal for you. How about you drive down here and make a small monetary donation and then I'll vacuum the $4 out of your vehicle for you. And if you wait 3 or 4 weeks to do it then we'll let Sue hold the baby. It doesn't get any better than that does it? By the way, did you get my e-mail about the waterball?

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    Yep, got it. Started to reply at least 5 times and got paged in the middle of each--most recently the day you got the 2 notices!! Local farmers and homeowners have asked that i not try to e-mail you.

    No line on a waterball maker up here. I'll keep checking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not2L84U2 View Post
    Just received an e-mail back for a $1,500 reduction. Requested that we reduce helmets from $250 each to $200 each. That still a good ballpark?
    Purchase 1x white leather and buy real helmets for everyone else that actually works.

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    Unhappy

    Just received an e-mail back for a $1,650 reduction. Requested that we reduce pagers from $525 each to $450 each.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng645 View Post
    Just received an e-mail back for a $1,650 reduction. Requested that we reduce pagers from $525 each to $450 each.
    If oyu can provide them with two ro three quotes showing the cheapest price at above what they are asking, then email copies o the FPS and ask them to reconsider. I have seen them restore funding to full level many times when you can prove your point.
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    Airpacks are down to the $5300 range. Some at $5000. So much for the increase into 2007 pricing estimates but those don't seem to be as high as expected either.

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    Default 2007 PPE Reduction

    I just got a reduction email today. Scba went from $5,500 to $5,000. Bunker coats reduced to $900 from $950. Also boots from $275 to $250. Total reduction on the grant is $6,275. I need to wait for the remaining quotes to come in before I call to fight the reduction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAMFIRE42 View Post
    I just got a reduction email today. Scba went from $5,500 to $5,000.
    Wow, I wonder how those who applied for > $6,000 for SCBA (expected 2007 pricing) scored?

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    No problems there either, have a few reduced down from the above $6k range. So far hasn't been an issue, and usually isn't. Peer has been pretty good about going on the spirit of the app first, then adjusting the cost. Being high on price hasn't been the cause of someone's denial that I can find.

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    Here is the 2006 list that was compiled using the information from people on the forums. Some of these limits have been varied depending upon specification (CAFS Pumper) and funding appeals so I'm only going on what I've seen posted here on average.

    If you have more reduction information or better numbers let me know and I will update the list. I have about 10 more items that I've seen awarded but I can't be sure of the limits on them so I left them off the list.

    Oddly enough, there are some people who get capped at $250,000 for a Pumper/Rescue but I got $275,000. Again, I think specifications have some part in it.

    I would like to compile a 2007 list so if people get reductions, please let me know by posting here with your reduction letter.

    This list should not be used to "go for the max" but as a guideline to get an understanding of what FEMA has determined to allow for items so you don't have to say "We got reduced to $xxx! We'll never be able to complete the proejct!!!"

    Sorry, the forums don't recognize Excel so I had to convet to Word.
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    Question FY 07 SCBA Parts Reductions and Prices?

    We are in the running for a SCBA and cascade grant. Just wondering if anyone has any insight on what things are being reduced to this year?

    Besides the well established $5000.00 for a complete 30min SCBA...

    What is DHS allowing (or what have you been successfully awarded) for FY 2007 for:

    Extra Facepeices

    Corrective Lens Frames and safety lenses for Facepeices

    RIT Pack

    2 Bottle Class 2 Fill Containment Fill Station

    5000psi Cascade Bottles (we asked for 6, no compressor)

    We have a county compressor on a trailer that goes around and fills the cascades in the stations so we didn't ask for that.

    Just curious how much work I'm going to have to do to get the vendors in line with what we'll have to spend.

    Also if anyone has any bids in hand, I like to know what others are getting for quotes on complete MSA and Scott NFPA 2007 Compliant airpacks with Pass Alarms?

    Dave
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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle View Post
    Scott RIT packs. We were quoted (last year) $3800 for 60 minute carbon cylinder, 20' low pressure hose, 6' EBSS hose, 10' RIC hose, quick disconnect easy flow regulator, facepeice & carrying bag.
    The RIT packs were reduced to $3,500 each. Actual cost $3,095 each (on order).

    Spare facepieces $500 (posted on the forums).

    2 bottle Class 2 system: $5,000
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    Quote Originally Posted by hdavid66 View Post
    We are in the running for a SCBA and cascade grant. Just wondering if anyone has any insight on what things are being reduced to this year?

    Besides the well established $5000.00 for a complete 30min SCBA...

    What is DHS allowing (or what have you been successfully awarded) for FY 2007 for:

    Extra Facepeices

    Corrective Lens Frames and safety lenses for Facepeices

    RIT Pack

    2 Bottle Class 2 Fill Containment Fill Station

    5000psi Cascade Bottles (we asked for 6, no compressor)

    We have a county compressor on a trailer that goes around and fills the cascades in the stations so we didn't ask for that.

    Just curious how much work I'm going to have to do to get the vendors in line with what we'll have to spend.

    Also if anyone has any bids in hand, I like to know what others are getting for quotes on complete MSA and Scott NFPA 2007 Compliant airpacks with Pass Alarms?

    Dave

    As you won't have a compressor in the station you might take a look at going to 6000psi cascade tanks. Not much increase in price and capacity increase is worth having.

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    Our 10 q's stated that their would be no reduction in our Cascade system or face pieces.
    4 bottle 6000 psi cascade system $4800
    Faces pieces $200 ea.

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    We received reductions for the following, still awaiting our award confirmation:

    Washer/Extractor: $10,835 to $9000
    Helmets: $208 to $200
    Boots:$285 to $250
    Gloves: $65 to $50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney47 View Post
    We received reductions for the following, still awaiting our award confirmation:

    Washer/Extractor: $10,835 to $9000
    Helmets: $208 to $200
    Boots:$285 to $250
    Gloves: $65 to $50
    These are the same reductions we were asked to accept. Once we accepted them our award notification came approximately one week later.

    Good Luck

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    Default Reduction

    We applied for a washer/extractor and gear dryer at $15,700. Our grant was reduced to $9,000. So we only got the washer/extractor.

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    Did they know they were 2 units? I've been seeing the $9k limit along on both units and haven't had a dryer pulled from an award yet. That's odd they pulled a part of the app.

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    I agree with Brian - you may want to contact your specialist to confirm they understand what you applied for, assuming you listed them as two separate items on your equipment list.

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    did anyone get dj letter this month? i did not get anything no dj no grant

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    Peer Review denials haven't gone out yet.

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    Just received our reduction email today.

    This grant award was reduced by $4,410. The approved amount for coats
    is $900 each not the $1000 indicated in the original application. The
    approved amount for helmets is $200 each not the $260 indicated in
    the original application. The approved amount for boots is $250each
    not the $280 indicated in the original application. The approved
    amount for gloves is $50 each and the approved number of gloves is 15
    not the $58 each for 20 gloves indicated in the original application.
    The approved number of hoods is 15 not the 20 indicated in the
    original application. The total project cost will be reduced from
    $53,660 to $49,250. The federal share will be reduced from $50,977
    to $46,788. The applicant match will be reduced from $2,683 to
    $2,462.



    If awarded, will you still accept the grant with the reductions?

    So we lose $4K and some change

    Oh well,

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    Default Breathing air system

    Got our reduction letter yesterday. Sent back today accepting their reduction. We asked for a breathing air compressor, four bottle storage, and containment system with control panel. Asked for $43,000.00 reduced to $40,000.00.

    We may have to pay a little extra out of pocket for shipping, OH well!!!

    Hope final award is coming soon...

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