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    After our bids, I would like to share some of that experience...

    Bid 1. Came in lowest, had some really interesting features,
    BUT lots of complaints on the mailing lists and boards about
    timely delivery. Longest quoted delivery time. Lots of issues
    quoted about getting information from the factory. Offered on
    site warranty service, with no mileage charges. (at additional
    charge) Service facility 3.5 hours away. 360 day delivery

    Bid 2. Came in next, was very unresponsive to our bid specs (the parts
    that they did not write) Lots of people very complimentary about the
    manufacturer. Service facility only onsite. No comments about mileage
    for service. Would NOT provide a print or drawing of what the truck would look like, every other bidder did. 330 day delivery

    Bid 3. Highest bid - but still in budget - barely. Very responsive to bid,
    and basicaly nothing but good about manufacturer. 200 day delivery.

    Bid 4. No bid from a regional manufacturer. (Others were all big companies)

    Bid 5. No bid due to response time. (21 days)

    Bid 6. No bid, they felt they could not build the truck as speced for the money.

    One company in AL wanted to bid, but contacted us after the bid
    closing, and we were not comfortable with them due to a neighboring
    departments truck they bought from them. (Can you imagine a 1 inch
    tank fill line? On a TANKER?)

    Anyone want to guess which one we went with?

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    BTW, specs were for a pumper, 1250/1250 with CAFS, through the tank
    ladders and suction, manual drop down for porta tank, midship pump,
    3 speedlays, 1 crosslay, 1 extended bumper with trash line.

    274k budget, including loose equipment.

    Southern MO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301
    Bid 3. Highest bid - but still in budget - barely. Very responsive to bid,
    and basicaly nothing but good about manufacturer. 200 day delivery.
    Going out on a limb here but Id pick bid 3.
    So name, names for us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by confire
    Going out on a limb here but Id pick bid 3.
    So name, names for us.
    Ditto

    Stay safe out there, everyone goes home!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301

    Bid 1. Came in LOWEST, had some really interesting features,
    BUT lots of complaints on the mailing lists and boards about
    timely delivery. Longest quoted delivery time. Lots of issues
    quoted about getting information from the factory. Offered on
    site warranty service, with no mileage charges. (at additional
    charge) Service facility 3.5 hours away. 360 day delivery
    Since we're dealing with a form of government here, I'm going to place my chips with #1. But I hope you went with #3. Good luck!

    Iluv4201

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iluv4201
    Since we're dealing with a form of government here, I'm going to place my chips with #1. But I hope you went with #3. Good luck!

    Iluv4201
    Same here.

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    No one is going to try to guess who the bidders were?

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    Depending on what area of the country you're from I can put about 3-4 names on each line based on the local dealers as far as the responsiveness warranty work goes.

    But since I like game shows...

    #1 - Central States, just on delivery time issues discussed in other threads
    #2 - Crimson? Thinking it's a non-sole source with the comment about parts of the spec they didn't write. Maybe ALF or E-One?
    #6 - Thinking Pierce, but last couple bids I was involved in they weren't highest on similar specs to what y'all have listed.
    #3 - KME? Based on comments in other threads.

    No Whammies, no Whammies, Big Bucks STOP!

    Sorry, wrong game show.

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    I'd be interested in who the players were. I have my theories on some, but I'll keep them to myself. (I could be accused of picking on a compeitor, etc.)

    Really, isn't the bid process public knowledge? What's the harm it putting it out here for all to see?
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    Default My guess is........

    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301
    After our bids, I would like to share some of that experience...

    Bid 1. Came in lowest, had some really interesting features,
    BUT lots of complaints on the mailing lists and boards about
    timely delivery. Longest quoted delivery time. Lots of issues
    quoted about getting information from the factory. Offered on
    site warranty service, with no mileage charges. (at additional
    charge) Service facility 3.5 hours away. 360 day delivery

    Bid 2. Came in next, was very unresponsive to our bid specs (the parts
    that they did not write) Lots of people very complimentary about the
    manufacturer. Service facility only onsite. No comments about mileage
    for service. Would NOT provide a print or drawing of what the truck would look like, every other bidder did. 330 day delivery

    Bid 3. Highest bid - but still in budget - barely. Very responsive to bid,
    and basicaly nothing but good about manufacturer. 200 day delivery.

    Bid 4. No bid from a regional manufacturer. (Others were all big companies)

    Bid 5. No bid due to response time. (21 days)

    Bid 6. No bid, they felt they could not build the truck as speced for the money.

    One company in AL wanted to bid, but contacted us after the bid
    closing, and we were not comfortable with them due to a neighboring
    departments truck they bought from them. (Can you imagine a 1 inch
    tank fill line? On a TANKER?)

    Anyone want to guess which one we went with?
    1) ALF

    2) Seagrave

    3) Pierce

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    I can't guess at all of them, but I'm bettin #2 is Pierce...... We've had similar results from them. Didn't really care what our spec said, they just bid the truck they wanted us to buy........

    I'm guessin #1 was Seagrave.......
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    Bid 1. Rosenbauer-Central States

    Bid 2. Pierce

    Bid 3. This one I'm not sure on I'm thinking Crimson or KME.

    Bid 4. Firemaster didn't bid? Or possibly Precision.

    Bid 5. If it was my experience, I'd say Pierce,

    Bid 6. E-One

    And AL was probably Ferrarra (I think I remember them being down there).

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    Talking I'll Bite

    These are just wild guesses since, each one of your six could be anyone!

    1. Rosenbauer

    2. Pierce, or KME

    3. Elite, Pierce, ALF, Ferrara

    4. Precision, Alexis, Darley, Custom Fire

    5. Pierce, KME, Ferrara, E-one, Seagraves,

    6. KME, Ferra, ALF, E-one, Seagraves

    As for AL my only guess would be Crimson since they used to be in AL.

    Now the important question? What do we win if we get it right?

    Second question? When do we get the answers?
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    The winner gets the most valuable prize.. Knowledge... That, and an exciting all expenses paid trip to his fire station!

    Answers, soon....

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    JUST TELL US FOR CHRIST'S SAKE!

    You're driving me nuts here!
    Never argue with an Idiot. They drag you down to their level, and then beat you with experience!

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    Default my 1-3

    1. Central States
    2. Ferarra
    3. Pierce

    When we put out specs for our pumper tanker - we specified max height of 9'6" - 2 of 5 bids was for a 9' 6" truck, 2 bids for a 10' 6" truck and 1 bid for an 11' high truck.


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    OK, here it is...

    #1. Rosenbaur. The biggest concern here was timely delivery, location
    of service, and communication from the factory. They had some nice features, the location of the speedlays was not something we had thought about, and they had a nice location for them. Pierce would not put them there, the other manufactures would, but at added cost of course. I feel like the sales people put a lot of thought into the specs, and presented something that was a very nice truck. They were willing to put the air tool line from the CAFS in the rear compartment.

    #2. Pierce. These folks provided us with some base bid specs. I was uncomfortable however when I was repeatedly told that options were bad. (Options, as in "ADD ARROWSTICK ON REAR ABOVE COMPARTMENT") They refused to put the speed lays behind the cab instead of under the pump panel, and they refused to put the air tool line from the CAFS compressor in the rear compartment. The modifications to the base bid specs were ignored. Service was through a contracted service company. I KNOW that Pierce builds a good truck, the sales rep is with a neighboring department, I really wanted to give them our business, but they made it impossible.

    #3. KME. Service less than 2 hours away, were willing to do whatever we asked, and they have been helpful in the past. Shortest delivery time. The only one that really seemed to follow the bid specs. Most expensive - BUT, we felt it was the most appropiate bid for our needs. Remember, trucks are not apples to apples, and although price should play into the bidding process, the most appropiate for the needs of the department is what should happen.

    #4. Firemaster. These were the FIRST people I met with when I got the word that we had gotten the grant. Their sales person had gotten upset with me in 2001 when I bought airpacks, called me and wanted the names and contact numbers for each of my board members. I gave them to him, while advising him that my firefighters voted on which packs they liked the best, which had the best fit, which were the easiest to work with. They picked one, which also was the least expensive - and this company was upset. He called a couple of the board members, and gave up. I wanted to make sure that they had a chance - and they no bid me on the truck.

    #5. HME

    #6. Ferarra. Great product, but they felt they could not build the speced truck for what my budget was.

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    On the speedlay location, custom cab or commercial?

    Most custom chassis from nearly everyone don't appear to have the room between the top of the frame rails and the bottom of the cab floor. Plus if they're tilt cabs makes for a plumbing problem since it would have to follow the cab up and down.

    The add arrowstick doesn't make sense on why they'd complain about it. We have them on ours, although recessed into the body so it doesn't get whacked or someone stands on it.

    I'd avoid #4 for anything just based on the customer service.

    Sounds like you're getting the truck built the way you want it for the price you can afford. I agree, less expensive doesn't mean squat if it isn't going to do the job.

    Surprised at Ferrara. Not too often you hear about them thinking they'd be too high and no bidding.

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    Commercial chassis.

    Ended up with an International chassis, as we have local service, all the
    other chassis companies are 2 hours or better away.

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    We have 3 rosenbauer engine/tenders coming in less than a month.
    We already have numerous rosenbauer/central units they are great rigs imo.

    It does take a little longer for delivery but its worth it imo.

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    Default How long did it take to build your new engine/tenders

    Quote Originally Posted by k1500chevy97
    We have 3 rosenbauer engine/tenders coming in less than a month.
    We already have numerous rosenbauer/central units they are great rigs imo.

    It does take a little longer for delivery but its worth it imo.
    We have on Central States engine and have been happy with it, just came in a couple months late.

    Hopefully they are building our engine/tender at the same time their building yours.

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    LVFD

    Check with the state, we bid our truck with the option of supplying our own chassis.

    We purchased, throught State of Missouri contract, a 7400 international 4 door for less than anyone was bidding the smaller 4400.

    If you want some details, email me bjlf@hotmail.com.

    we went with Rosen/Central,
    They were the only ones wanting to build what we wanted.

    Hope to be delivered after Winter Fire School.

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    Thanks for putting the info out there about the various brands and how they bid. It gets interesting to see how things shake out in other areas of the country.
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    LVFD301...

    #5. HME
    I am curious as to why no comments on HME? You did a commentary on the other brands. My POC FD has an HME Ahrens Fox pumper and our guys love it.

    FyredUp

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp
    LVFD301...



    I am curious as to why no comments on HME? You did a commentary on the other brands. My POC FD has an HME Ahrens Fox pumper and our guys love it.

    FyredUp

    I did. In the first post I said that there was no bid from HME's local
    rep, due to the response time in the bid being 21 days. They felt they
    could not respond to the bid in that time.

    It was a shame, HME does build a nice truck. I would have liked to see
    what they could offer. We put the bidding out to 21 days because we
    felt like that was enough time for bids to be submitted (and that was born
    out by us getting 3 bids back) and we were trying to be quick so we could
    still try to get a 2006 engine, which we were successful in, barely.

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