Tools to the roof?

[hr1corl8304]

Pitch roof ( residential, apartments, wood or light metal) 2 to 3 men

Chain saw
Roof ladder ( depending on pitch )
Halligan bar (breach, secure tools, footing, ect.)
Hook ( 8 + dont waste time with 6 many times not long enough without getting into vent opening.)
Radio
Light.

Commercial ( Flat ) 2 to 4
K-1200 ( 2 plus saws depending on man power and trucks committed)
halligan
hooks
radio
light
Rope ( depending on building)

Posted good video on pge 3 of Video forum mentioned earlier.

[Halligan84]

http://fe.pennnet.com/articles/artic...of%20pack&p=25

This was an article from Fire Engineering a few years back. Not sure if you have to subscribe or not to read online.

[MemphisE34a]

Standard Tool Set here:

Residental (2-3 man crew):
Chainsaw, Pickhead Axe, 3' Pike, handlight for each member

Just curious, why a 3' pike pole and not one longer? I can't think of anything you could accomplish on the roof with a 3' pike. The only 2 things I can think of that you would even try to do with a pike pole on a peaked roof private dwelling would be to pull the section of roof that you cut or go through the hole to push any ceiling down below.

A 3' pole would make it difficult to reach the far side of your hole and have any handle left to pull on, assuming your cutting a 4' x 4' and your not going to be able to reach far enough to knock down any ceiling.

It would seem a 6' or 8' hook would be a much better choice.

[FFFRED]

Chain saw, axe, 6' NY hook, which is kinda like a two-sided standard pike pole (not sure the proper name, thats what we call it). If its a peaked roof and we cant get to it with the aerial, add a roof ladder (to work off of).

Although with our extensive use of PPV, I cant recall the last time we cut a roof (other then a trench cut on a multi-unit building).

Maybe the NYFD bros know what the proper name for that 2-sided pike-like pole is called? Wish I had a photo...

http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooks.html

Is this it?

The other hook carried typically besides the specialty hooks is the New Yorker Hook usually refered to as the wooden hook because it has a wood handle, carried by every Can Man on the job.

It is the top two hooks, the bottom one looks like some cheap garbage.



FTM-PTB

PS- What is a "pike pole"?

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Come on Fred. You know what a Pike Pole is.

[FFFRED]

Come on Fred. You know what a Pike Pole is.

Yeah its what vollies use!

I just always like to stir the disscussion a little.

FTM-PTB

[MemphisE34a]

It is the top two hooks, the bottom one looks like some cheap garbage.

Thats what we are equipped with Fred, it may look like garbage, but I can assure you, we have the best equipment that low bid can buy.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

We use PIKE POLES too. I guess we rubes out here in the midwest just aren't that cool.

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooks.html

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FTM-PTB

PS- What is a "pike pole"?

This the caption found with this very ad..

NEW YORKER HOOK (top two photos) - A slight redesign from the standard "PIKE POLE". * Used by FDNY for over 100 years.

NATIONAL HOOK (bottom photo) - The "PIKE POLE" used Nation-wide.

[VinnieB]

Chain saw, axe, 6' NY hook, which is kinda like a two-sided standard pike pole (not sure the proper name, thats what we call it). If its a peaked roof and we cant get to it with the aerial, add a roof ladder (to work off of).

If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.

[VinnieB]

This the caption found with this very ad..

NEW YORKER HOOK (top two photos) - A slight redesign from the standard "PIKE POLE". * Used by FDNY for over 100 years.

NATIONAL HOOK (bottom photo) - The "PIKE POLE" used Nation-wide.

Yeah..."pike pole" sure, thats what was used to dismount charging, mounted cavalry in feudal times. What was posted is called a "HOOK"....friggin savages

[MIKEYLIKESIT]

Vinnie and Fred are big meanies !

[quint1officer]

If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.

Ok guys, educate me. We use them mostly as a heavy hook on the roof. What else?

[doughesson]

My old volunteer department had a policy of staying off the roof if the fire's been going for more than 6 minutes.All we knew was how long it took us to get there so....
Now if we'd gotten mutual aid from Paducah or another vollie department that had a ladder truck,we'd use pike poles for sounding,a pickhead axe,chain saw(started on the ground first and shut down for the ride up),and everyone has a light.
None of the buildings except for the water tower in the district was over 3 stories.The water tower was special rescue and we'd call in the world for that one if it happened.
Our own ladder truck was in the talking stages when I departed so that will change when it's acquired.

[Dave1983]

http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooks.html

Is this it?

Yup, thats the one. Great tool.

[37truck]

My explaination was'nt good enough for you?? Sheesh!

sorry, bro

[FireMedic7]

You tool selection should be determined by the type of building your operating on top of. If I am thinking correctly your department is a pretty small career FD. How many guys are you sending to the roof?

Also, if your not using a power saw to vent with, the engine is going to take a beating pushing in, while you're trying to accomplish sufficent ventilation. If most of your jobs are in PD's. They will probably knock the fire down before you even get the hole opened up. With limited manpower you're going to have a greater effect on the outcome with proper horizontal ventilation at most fires.

Sorry I did not mention that, we run a 2-3 initial truck crew, and we take a saw to the roof about every time, either a ventmaster chain or a warthog circular.

[ChicagoFF]

If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.

You bring your fireplace poker to work with you?

[nyckftbl]

You bring your fireplace poker to work with you?

Better than that parade axe you guys use.

[GFDLT1]

Thats what we are equipped with Fred, it may look like garbage, but I can assure you, we have the best equipment that low bid can buy.

Thats pretty good. The best equipment low bid can buy!!!