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    Pitch roof ( residential, apartments, wood or light metal) 2 to 3 men

    Chain saw
    Roof ladder ( depending on pitch )
    Halligan bar (breach, secure tools, footing, ect.)
    Hook ( 8 + dont waste time with 6 many times not long enough without getting into vent opening.)
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    http://fe.pennnet.com/articles/artic...of%20pack&p=25

    This was an article from Fire Engineering a few years back. Not sure if you have to subscribe or not to read online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Standard Tool Set here:

    Residental (2-3 man crew):
    Chainsaw, Pickhead Axe, 3' Pike, handlight for each member
    Just curious, why a 3' pike pole and not one longer? I can't think of anything you could accomplish on the roof with a 3' pike. The only 2 things I can think of that you would even try to do with a pike pole on a peaked roof private dwelling would be to pull the section of roof that you cut or go through the hole to push any ceiling down below.

    A 3' pole would make it difficult to reach the far side of your hole and have any handle left to pull on, assuming your cutting a 4' x 4' and your not going to be able to reach far enough to knock down any ceiling.

    It would seem a 6' or 8' hook would be a much better choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    Chain saw, axe, 6' NY hook, which is kinda like a two-sided standard pike pole (not sure the proper name, thats what we call it). If its a peaked roof and we cant get to it with the aerial, add a roof ladder (to work off of).

    Although with our extensive use of PPV, I cant recall the last time we cut a roof (other then a trench cut on a multi-unit building).

    Maybe the NYFD bros know what the proper name for that 2-sided pike-like pole is called? Wish I had a photo...

    http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooks.html

    Is this it?

    The other hook carried typically besides the specialty hooks is the New Yorker Hook usually refered to as the wooden hook because it has a wood handle, carried by every Can Man on the job.

    It is the top two hooks, the bottom one looks like some cheap garbage.



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    PS- What is a "pike pole"?
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    Come on Fred. You know what a Pike Pole is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
    Come on Fred. You know what a Pike Pole is.
    Yeah its what vollies use!

    I just always like to stir the disscussion a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    It is the top two hooks, the bottom one looks like some cheap garbage.

    Thats what we are equipped with Fred, it may look like garbage, but I can assure you, we have the best equipment that low bid can buy.
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    We use PIKE POLES too. I guess we rubes out here in the midwest just aren't that cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post

    http://www.firehooksunlimited.net/hooks.html

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    PS- What is a "pike pole"?

    This the caption found with this very ad..

    NEW YORKER HOOK (top two photos) - A slight redesign from the standard "PIKE POLE". * Used by FDNY for over 100 years.

    NATIONAL HOOK (bottom photo) - The "PIKE POLE" used Nation-wide.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave1983 View Post
    Chain saw, axe, 6' NY hook, which is kinda like a two-sided standard pike pole (not sure the proper name, thats what we call it). If its a peaked roof and we cant get to it with the aerial, add a roof ladder (to work off of).
    If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MIKEYLIKESIT View Post
    This the caption found with this very ad..

    NEW YORKER HOOK (top two photos) - A slight redesign from the standard "PIKE POLE". * Used by FDNY for over 100 years.

    NATIONAL HOOK (bottom photo) - The "PIKE POLE" used Nation-wide.
    Yeah..."pike pole" sure, thats what was used to dismount charging, mounted cavalry in feudal times. What was posted is called a "HOOK"....friggin savages
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    Default The verdict is in...

    Vinnie and Fred are big meanies !
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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.
    Ok guys, educate me. We use them mostly as a heavy hook on the roof. What else?

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    My old volunteer department had a policy of staying off the roof if the fire's been going for more than 6 minutes.All we knew was how long it took us to get there so....
    Now if we'd gotten mutual aid from Paducah or another vollie department that had a ladder truck,we'd use pike poles for sounding,a pickhead axe,chain saw(started on the ground first and shut down for the ride up),and everyone has a light.
    None of the buildings except for the water tower in the district was over 3 stories.The water tower was special rescue and we'd call in the world for that one if it happened.
    Our own ladder truck was in the talking stages when I departed so that will change when it's acquired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Yup, thats the one. Great tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    My explaination was'nt good enough for you?? Sheesh!
    sorry, bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37truck View Post
    You tool selection should be determined by the type of building your operating on top of. If I am thinking correctly your department is a pretty small career FD. How many guys are you sending to the roof?

    Also, if your not using a power saw to vent with, the engine is going to take a beating pushing in, while you're trying to accomplish sufficent ventilation. If most of your jobs are in PD's. They will probably knock the fire down before you even get the hole opened up. With limited manpower you're going to have a greater effect on the outcome with proper horizontal ventilation at most fires.
    Sorry I did not mention that, we run a 2-3 initial truck crew, and we take a saw to the roof about every time, either a ventmaster chain or a warthog circular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VinnieB View Post
    If you are refering to the one that looks like a crocked "T", then that would be called the Haligan Hook.
    You bring your fireplace poker to work with you?
    I am a complacent liability to the fire service

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    You bring your fireplace poker to work with you?
    Better than that parade axe you guys use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MemphisE34a View Post
    Thats what we are equipped with Fred, it may look like garbage, but I can assure you, we have the best equipment that low bid can buy.
    Thats pretty good. The best equipment low bid can buy!!!

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