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    We have all trained and talked about the best methods for stretching lines. How about the best methods for taking up the line once operations are complete.

    On vertical stretches is it best to walk out and down the line charged? Or, do you bleed it first in place and then drag it out?

    How about methods for sub-freezing weather breakdown?

    Any tricks for LDH take 'up?

    Any ideas that will help us work smarter rather than harder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BScott View Post
    Any ideas that will help us work smarter rather than harder.
    Yeah, get some of those lazy-*** truckmen to help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Yeah, get some of those lazy-*** truckmen to help.

    You mean the ones that cut the roof to watch the REAL firefighters working inside?
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    Not another eng vs truck argument. Sheesh you two keep it in your pants for once.
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    Quote Originally Posted by res1cueffd View Post
    Not another eng vs truck argument. Sheesh you two keep it in your pants for once.
    Oh great! Turn it into a "Pants vs. 3/4's" fight too, why don't you?!




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    You kids sit down and shut up back there, or well turn this thread around right now!


    As for the question:

    1. Normal handlines and 2 1/2 are broken in 100 foot sections and the water drained by walking them out.

    2. In freezing weather, the unused but charged lines are left to flow a small amount to prevent freeze-up.

    3. LDH is picked up by a rolling take-up. We center the emtpy hose in the road (or off to one side or the other), and drive along picking it up and packing as we go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BScott View Post
    We have all trained and talked about the best methods for stretching lines. How about the best methods for taking up the line once operations are complete.

    On vertical stretches is it best to walk out and down the line charged? Or, do you bleed it first in place and then drag it out?

    How about methods for sub-freezing weather breakdown?

    Any tricks for LDH take 'up?

    Any ideas that will help us work smarter rather than harder.
    1. I like to bleed it then take it out, but it just depends on if you have a lot of hose inside or not. If you don't have a lot of hose in it doesn't hurt to drag it out it all depends how motivated you are.

    2. In freezing weather it really doesn't matter what you do. We run rubber hose and usually spray it off and load it right back on the truck but if its freezing out we have to take it back to the station.

    3. LDH we have a handy Roll-N-Rack it works well except it doesn't roll up the hose, it does a good job draining the hose and is good for loading the hose back on the truck. Usually we straddle the hose and load it back on the truck if it is'nt to dirty or what not.

    4. Get yourself a white helmet then you won't have to worry about this.(just kidding)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    1. I like to bleed it then take it out, but it just depends on if you have a lot of hose inside or not. If you don't have a lot of hose in it doesn't hurt to drag it out it all depends how motivated you are.

    2. In freezing weather it really doesn't matter what you do. We run rubber hose and usually spray it off and load it right back on the truck but if its freezing out we have to take it back to the station.

    3. LDH we have a handy Roll-N-Rack it works well except it doesn't roll up the hose, it does a good job draining the hose and is good for loading the hose back on the truck. Usually we straddle the hose and load it back on the truck if it is'nt to dirty or what not.

    4. Get yourself a white helmet then you won't have to worry about this.(just kidding)
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    Default best way of takeing up

    get into a squad or rescue company.when the fires out and your released just take up no racking hose 10 -8 and available for the next one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYVERN View Post
    Ten thousand comedians out of work. Don't quit your DAY job, get it.
    I don't know, maybe you should explain it to me!( just kidding) I'll take your advice as I like my job. Whats your method of taking up hose?? You forgot to mention anything about the original post. Just remember, to do as the Chief or as in your case the Asst. Chief says.Get it?(inside joke)Take care!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    I don't know, maybe you should explain it to me!( just kidding) I'll take your advice as I like my job. Whats your method of taking up hose?? You forgot to mention anything about the original post. Just remember, to do as the Chief or as in your case the Asst. Chief says.Get it?(inside joke)Take care!
    I prefer the first three methods you described in your post. Although the fourth method sounds good too but I'm from the old school, Lead by example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYVERN View Post
    I prefer the first three methods you described in your post. Although the fourth method sounds good too but I'm from the old school, Lead by example.
    What do you think I do??

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    What do you think I do??
    Not implying anything, relax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYVERN View Post
    Not implying anything, relax.

    I'll remember that.Take care. Is it cold where you're at yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYVERN View Post
    Ten thousand comedians out of work. Don't quit your DAY job, get it.
    This IS his day job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    As for the question:

    1. Normal handlines and 2 1/2 are broken in 100 foot sections and the water drained by walking them out.

    2. In freezing weather, the unused but charged lines are left to flow a small amount to prevent freeze-up.

    3. LDH is picked up by a rolling take-up. We center the emtpy hose in the road (or off to one side or the other), and drive along picking it up and packing as we go.

    That is how my old volunteer department did it as well.We'd reload the handlines in the Minuteman set up which worked best for us.
    In freezing weather,we'd only charge lines as they were being advanced but before entering the structure/fire zone.
    We usually backed up to reload the LDH since most of the time,the run in to the structure was too confined for a turn around.Every now and then we'd get tapped out to a truck driver's home and there'd be room in the yard there but not always.
    If there was room to turn around,driving forward over the hose saved a lot of heartburn on the driver's part.The radio stayed a lot cleaner and there wasn't as much"NO!Goddlemighty,son!MY LEFT!".
    Back at the station,cleaning and replacing hoses,medical gear,refilling the rehab cooler,etc was an all hands evolution.Officers and the Chief and Assistant Chief all pitched in.If someone had to leave to return to work,we didn't hold it against them as next time,it could be us leaving them shorter handed.

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    For LDH on sloping terrain, break the hose at both ends of the lay. Fold the uphill coupling back on the hose to seal that end. Gravity drains the water at the downhill end and forms a vacuum that pulls the hose as flat as if it had been ironed. Reload uphill to downhill so the last bit of water flows out without having to break the vacuum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEYVERN View Post
    I prefer the first three methods you described in your post. Although the fourth method sounds good too but I'm from the old school, Lead by example.
    or you could tone out 4 times and not get anyone to go and then call the neighboring dept. and let them deal with all the hose!!! heard that happen before as I am sure you have! why they don't call sooner is beyond me.

    Hand lines are drained and rolled and taken back to the station and washed then put back on the truck. We have a newer type of nylon I believe it is, not sure what it is called, but you can put it back on the truck wet and it won't mold or mildew.

    As for LDH hose we drain it and if we can we will put it off the side of the drive and back down the drive to reload it so we are not backing in the driveway with guys behind the truck. If it's really dirty we will just donut roll it and throw it in the back of someones truck and take it back to the station and wash it, reroll it, and load it. ( I kind of like this method better as it makes sure all the water and air is out of the hose, but does take a little more time)

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    we re-load the attack lines in whatever load they were in(some houses use different loads then others, we use a CA minuteman at ST.18 while most others use a regular minuteman) and the LDH we roll on the ground then use a handle from a tool and put it threw the middle and have 2 FF's hold the roll while 2 more load in back in the bed(this way we are back in service before we leave the incident) any broken hoses gets rolled O/S and thrown on top of the bedded hose.

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    Wake up and take up, thats the best way!

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    I always prefered those change of shift jobs where the oncomming platoon got no work but has to take up.
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