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    Default Learn to Fly ....

    OK so who was it?????

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    Tornado or other high wind damage? A crash?
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    "Now who put this dang tree in my parking space?"
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    Must be a different "branch" of the air force.
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    Gotta watch those darned trees, they'll jump right out in front of you.
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    Some one oughta put a sign under the tree reading"Instructor Pilot Parking Only-All Others will be towed at Owner's expense."

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    Tornado or other high wind damage? A crash?
    My guess is low or no fuel with the pilot trying to slip it onto any available asphalt. Guess they missed.
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    It wasn't me. None of the planes I fly have that tail number.

    The aircraft comes back to Vision Real Estate Management in Colorado Springs. I just ran all accidents involving a Piper Warrior in Colorado for the last 25 years and I don't see it, nor does the N-Number show up in the NTSB database.

    I tried to look up "American Aviation" but nothing looked like it fit that setting. My guess would be either landing without an engine for whatever reason and didn't make the runway, or thought the road was the runway and things didn't go so well.

    I also must say it is surprisingly intact.
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    Looks like they probably got the flying part down, Just need to work on the landing. Back in my days in the Marine Corps, they always said any landing you could walk away from was a good one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireboss101 View Post
    ...any landing you could walk away from was a good one.
    That saying is great when you are a passenger. When you are the pilot in command of the aircraft, it isn't quite so simple anymore.

    Any landing you can walk away from was survivable. Any landing in which the plane is still able to fly without an overhaul or replacement parts is a good one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fireboss101 View Post
    Looks like they probably got the flying part down, Just need to work on the landing. Back in my days in the Marine Corps, they always said any landing you could walk away from was a good one.
    I heard a second half to that saying - a GREAT landing is one where you can use the plane again.
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    They do say landing a plane is nothing more than a controlled crash...maybe the pilot took that literally?
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    A great landing is one where you have step outside to be sure you actually landed.
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    Here are some Rules I have come across over the years:

    RULES OF THE AIR
    1. Every takeoff is optional. Every landing is mandatory.
    2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull the stick back, they get smaller. That is, unless you keep pulling the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again.
    3. Flying isn't dangerous. Crashing is what's dangerous.
    4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up there than up there wishing you were down here.
    5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
    6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the pilot start sweating.
    7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No one has ever collided with the sky.
    8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away. A 'great' landing is one after which they can use the plane again.
    9. Learn from the mistakes of others. You won't live long enough to make all of them yourself.
    10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to taxi to the ramp.
    11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival. Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice versa.
    12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.
    13. Stay out of clouds. The silver lining everyone keeps talking about might be another airplane going in the opposite direction. Reliable sources also report that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.
    14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal to the number of take offs you've made.
    15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing. Unfortunately no one knows what they are.
    16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
    17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.
    18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's going round and round and all you can hear is commotion coming from the passenger compartment, things are not at all as they should be.
    19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum going hundreds of miles per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose.
    20. Good judgment comes from experience. Unfortunately, the experience usually comes from bad judgment.
    21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as possible.
    22. Keep looking around. There's always something you've missed.
    23. Remember, gravity is not just a good idea. It's the law. And it's not subject to repeal.
    24. The three most useless things to a pilot are the altitude above you, runway behind you, and the fuel back there on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart46 View Post
    21. It's always a good idea to keep the pointy end going forward as much as possible.
    Unless you have power set for 50kts in a 60kt headwind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stewart46 View Post
    Here are some Rules I have come across over the years:


    17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.

    Helicopters can't fly, they beat the air into submission.


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    "There's no such thing as a perfectly good airplane."

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    There is nothing more dangerous in crowded airspace than a really bad pilot with really good radio skills.

    My CFI taught me that and it is so true.
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    OK, I got it.

    This occurred December 8, 2006 at 17:25MST. It was an engine failure on take-off from Runway 15 at Meadow Lake Airport (00V) in Colorado Springs. Pilot was going to try landing on the road in the picture. Some traffic on the road came along. To avoid injuring people on the ground, he had to abort landing on the road and struck the tree.

    Pilot was the only person on board and he was NOT injured in the crash. He did however sustain minor injuries while climbing down from the tree.

    Reason for engine failure is unknown at this time, the NTSB has not published anything yet.
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    First Rule of Flight, as taught to me by my instructor:

    "Thou shalt maintain airspeed and altitude lest the Earth reacheth up and smite thee."

    Nmfire you are sssooo right, especially when flying Piper Cubs and Citabrias... they are great little machines until you encounter the 75kt head wind. Then they become great elevators. Lots of up and down, but not much good for anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nine3Probie View Post
    "There's no such thing as a perfectly good airplane."
    That's why I never took any parachuting courses and do not intend to.
    As to the walking away from a landing,remember that just because you walked away from it doesn't mean someone's not going to second guess you on your technique and final location.
    I was told by a private pilot friend that the FAA has lots of Federal,lots of Administration and very little to do with Aviation.Sounds like what I found out about the Coast Guard when I got my Master's license on the mighty Mississippi.

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    Taken from a 1920's CAA (predicessor to the FAA) Pamphlet

    Engine Failure Procedures at Night
    1. Establish best glide speed
    2. Attempt to restart engine
    a. mixture rich
    b. fuel on
    3. If engine does not restart, turn on landing lights 300 feet above ground
    4. If you don't like what you see, turn the lights off.
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