New FDNY Pumpers?

[jfTL41]

Anyone know why the new design deleted the rear discharges? Seemed to make sense for how they stretch their hand lines.

Huh? Look at the photos. Most engines where I have worked hook up on the pump panel, it is not all that common to use the rear discharge for handlines.

As for the hard suctions and drafting connections, it is what it is, this came down from a much higher pay grade and is part of the plan for the auxilliary water system (think San Francisco Pipeline system...).

As with anything in the fire service that involves change, there will be complainers and supporters, we did our best to help make the rigs as user friendly as possible, only time will tell. As with any committee, compromises were made, some things I like, others I would have done differently. Overall the rigs turned out as planned and the engines turned out good.

[dano8696]

JFTL41-

Any word on whos building the new Rescue Rigs?

[jfTL41]

JFTL41-

Any word on whos building the new Rescue Rigs?

Nobody... they have not gone out to bid yet.

[FWDbuff]

JFTL41-

Any word on whos building the new Rescue Rigs?

Look for Seagrave to build the new rescues.

[Rescue101]

Ray,what's with the angled corners on the beavertail? I'm thinking that ain't a bad idea. T.c.

[E40FDNYL35]

Ray,what's with the angled corners on the beavertail? I'm thinking that ain't a bad idea. T.c.

it is designed for the older and tighter doors on the job....

[FWDbuff]

it is designed for the older and tighter doors on the job....

TC knows all about older.......

[Engine305]

Something tells me that Seagrave would run, not walk away from a Rescue truck bid for NYC. It is not thier kind of apparatus...........I think a builder like Rescue 1 might go after it, or Ferrarra.

[Weruj1]

not bashin............whats with the doulble intakes on the one side ? Ray can you tell us anymore ?

[FlorianKnight]

Something tells me that Seagrave would run, not walk away from a Rescue truck bid for NYC. It is not thier kind of apparatus...........I think a builder like Rescue 1 might go after it, or Ferrarra.

Would FDNY accept a Spartan or Comercial chassis or do they require a single source manufacturer?

I ask because Rescue 1 does not manufacture their own chassis.

[MG3610]

Having dual steamer intakes allows you to get the capacity of the pump at draft Drafting from both steamers when there is one on each side requires tons of suction hose. Pumps over 1500 GPM require two suction lines in the water to pass the draft test, as I understand it.

On their rigs, one of the intakes is gated for everyday use and the other is not and is marked for drafting only, as there is no valve. My assumption would be that if the rig is used for water supply at draft for a large incident, they will draft with dual suction lines, since it appears 4 lengths are carried. It makes a ton of sense from a drafting efficency perspective.

Other FDNY guys have mentioned this new pump configuration is based on major water system loss so that any engine can extablish a water supply from draft.

[FWDbuff]

Something tells me that Seagrave would run, not walk away from a Rescue truck bid for NYC. It is not thier kind of apparatus...........

That was true 3 years ago.......

Seagrave is in a much better position now to build heavy rescues. Those who are "in the know", know precisely what I am talking about.

Some recent examples of "not their kind of apparatus", (especially the first one):

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

[firetdriver99]

This may be a dumb question or may have already been asked but I didnt see it. What is the big Diamond plate box on top of the cab on the training divisons engine used for?

[E40FDNYL35]

This may be a dumb question or may have already been asked but I didnt see it. What is the big Diamond plate box on top of the cab on the training divisons engine used for?

Foam...........

[fireco2lt]

With Tom Shand, ex-sales engineer for Saulsbury, working for Seagrave, I think rescues will become their thing and you may even see some interesting designs.

[FWDbuff]

With Tom Shand, ex-sales engineer for Saulsbury, working for Seagrave, I think rescues will become their thing and you may even see some interesting designs.

Out of respect for Tom's privacy, wasn't going to say anything, but when I said "Seagrave is in a much better position now to build heavy rescues. Those who are "in the know", know precisely what I am talking about"; this is exactly what I was referring to.

Tom was the engineer responsible for the design of the MC Mack/Saulsbury rescue companies, which is one of the reasons Seagrave picked him up.

[firetdriver99]

Foam...........

Thanks!!!!!!!

[firetdriver99]

That was true 3 years ago.......

Seagrave is in a much better position now to build heavy rescues. Those who are "in the know", know precisely what I am talking about.

Some recent examples of "not their kind of apparatus", (especially the first one):

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

http://www.seagrave.com/index.cfm?di...nID=3&chassis=

Wow that first one is a beast!!!!

[FFFRED]

Well the other day I had the chance to drive one of these beasts.

There were good points and bad points.

Good-

• -Larger powerplant, great acceleration.
• -Tight responsive steering.
• -Back is nice and large but I don't see the need for the raised roof. Still prefer the old seating arangement...just needed a smaller engine compartment.
• -External speaker on pump pannel
• -Rear MDT screen is a very much needed addition.

Bad or not that great-

• -Way to f*cking large for daily NYC use. 2 inches is 2 inches too many...should have maintained same size or gotten smaller. (I know EPA regs...but someone should have tried harder to obtain an exemption or something...what are we going to do next time the EPA reqires more BS...10ft wide rigs?)
• -Impractical hard suction for typical use, hoses much to large and three sections completely unneccesary...should be limited to select appratus or hose wagons (satellite type system with second sections) Do we really need 200 Engines that can draft that much? I would have thought a wiser investement would have been a strategic system like the Super Pumper System that is used only when needed. Seems like more BS piled on top of the lower paid ROC.
• -Don't like the placement of mirrors in relation to A-post Hard to see pedestrians on left hand turns.
• -Chauffeur and Officers seats much too cramped. no elbow room and no leg room. Radio gets caught agaisnt door.
• -ECC storage under seat, extreemly limited, waste of metal and space. amost unusable.
• -ECC tool/fitting compartment is fouled up with poorly designed and over sized sliding trays that prevent one from quickly getting to certain tools or cuases them to jamb when trying to pull the tray out...hire better engineers next time.
• -Electronic Q is a joke compared to the real thing...sounds like a casset tape playing a recording of a siren...bring back mechanical siren.
• -Don't like that large siamese on officers side...complicates hooking up under a number of senarios...many having to do with DEP installing hydrants facing the wrong d@mn way.
• -Officers side pump pannel trough isn't able to contain 50 ft section of 3.5 hose.
• -SHUT OFF THAT F*CKING BUZZER that activates anytime a door is open with the break off.
• -Pump pannel reminds me of the old Macks in that the pump gauges and levers were all over the place with no ryme or reason. Too many lights and I still hate there is no true MANUAL back up to the Pro-pressure governour.
• -Power windows...nice thought...but they will break and while I can rig a fix in Feburary when a window breaks in the down position...I'm not sure I can do so with this electronic mess.
• -Turn signal is not practical or easy to reach and I more often than not turn on the high-beams. SH*T design. Ps-good luck finding the hazzards.
• -If rig idles to bring pressure up...it will melt nederman...good thinking.
• -Large box on top of cab...we are an Engine...not a volly Rescue pumper...we don't need more space so downtown can fill it with garbage we don't need and it limits the deck gun in its direction and angle of use.

Other than that...it is a good rig and time will tell how the design change works out.

FTM-PTM

[Squad46]

FFFRED: Although a few of the items you mentioned may be manufacture design, most of the items mentioned have been specified or designed by your department. I believe that your department writes their own specifications?