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    Does anyone out there have any experiance with the concept of a heavy truck? From my understanding this is basically a true ladder truck (without pump) that combines heavy rescue, and truck equipment on one piece of apparatus. Aside from the obvious benefit of a large monetary savings we were looking for any pros or cons about this concept. Our district is not busy enough to devote a full-time staff to either piece of apparatus. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

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    If I remember right, Eden, PA (www.edenfire.com) replaced a heavy rescue and rearmount platform with a tiller ladder. They had some articles about the decision-making and planning process.

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    The Eden site is excellent. They did a tremendous job in designing and equipping their unit. We have 2 aerials on order (tractor-drawn) and will be doing a similiar set up. Ours won't combine any units, just adding to our resources since we only have 2 rescue companies covering over 100 sq. miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upstater View Post
    If I remember right, Eden, PA (www.edenfire.com) replaced a heavy rescue and rearmount platform with a tiller ladder. They had some articles about the decision-making and planning process.

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    Thanks, Weruj1 - I didn't have time before to track down the exact page.


    Now that I have taken a second look, here's another helpful section, for anyone that's interested.

    http://www.edenfire.com/newsroom/article_566.shtml


    I used to work near Eden when I lived in PA. I've been in to talk to them a couple of times, and I've always been super impressed with the operation there. They strike me as very professional volunteers.
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    I like the concept and have seen and loved the set up of the Eden truck but one thing I havn't heard anyone talk about is OOS time. Prior to combinning services they had a stand alone Rescue and Tower, now they are combined which means if the truck is OOS for any reason it's like having two trucks down not one. Before if the Tower was OOS the Rescue could do some truck work tasks on the fireground and visa versa, with combining rigs you loose that flexabilty.

    Still a neat idea.

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    7 hydraulic tools. Impressive.

    That thing is incredible. Reminds me of Orange CA tillered rescue. Looks like they spent a lot of time thinking it out. It also has to be one of the most organized rigs I a have ever seen.

    Also--does anyone know what FDNY ladder c.o.s carry for rescue equipment? I thought I read they have a set of jaws and what not.

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    FWIW, Baltimore County had no career Rescue Co.'s The trucks had truck stuff as well as extrication tools and rope gear. Nowhere near what a Rescue should have, bit it was a nice compromise given the call load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8 View Post
    7 hydraulic tools. Impressive.

    That thing is incredible. Reminds me of Orange CA tillered rescue. Looks like they spent a lot of time thinking it out. It also has to be one of the most organized rigs I a have ever seen.

    Also--does anyone know what FDNY ladder c.o.s carry for rescue equipment? I thought I read they have a set of jaws and what not.
    I have seen the FDNY tower ladders with a Hurst tool, jaws & cutter on a 75' scope !..

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    Eden's TDA was featured in the January 2007 issue, in the Apparatus Architect column by Tom Shand and Michael Wilbur.

    I believe Howard County MD runs 100' rear mount platforms as truck/rescues in the career stations.

    OOS time should not be a factor if there is sufficient mutual aid units. Also, the same problem exists for combination rescue/engines. But most of the focus needs to be what it can do when it is in-service.

    As with any apparatus design, you have to start by defining what you expect the unit to do, then see if that goal is achievable. Unfortunately, sometimes with combination apparatus, the goal seems to be to try to do a little bit of everything.

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    How about what is typically a heavy rescue squad, non-walk-in, pumper type cab (6 people), no pump, no water, just a big toolbox on wheels - but with all the truck company ground ladders in the back?

    It seems like everyone has the typical 6 person cab, raised roof, single rear axle, 2 compartments ahead of the rear wheel, one behind the rear wheel, roll up on the back, ladder to the top compartments, light tower, pre-connected rescue tools.......and a 24ft ladder.

    How about if you don't need a 75ft or 100 ft aerial, but still have 5-6K sq. ft. homes where you could use that 45 or 50ft ground ladder? Not to mention the 35, 28, and 20s.

    A ladder truck less the aerial ladder. Any good links to someone who has done this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dp7197r751 View Post
    How about what is typically a heavy rescue squad, non-walk-in, pumper type cab (6 people), no pump, no water, just a big toolbox on wheels - but with all the truck company ground ladders in the back?

    It seems like everyone has the typical 6 person cab, raised roof, single rear axle, 2 compartments ahead of the rear wheel, one behind the rear wheel, roll up on the back, ladder to the top compartments, light tower, pre-connected rescue tools.......and a 24ft ladder.

    How about if you don't need a 75ft or 100 ft aerial, but still have 5-6K sq. ft. homes where you could use that 45 or 50ft ground ladder? Not to mention the 35, 28, and 20s.

    A ladder truck less the aerial ladder. Any good links to someone who has done this?

    What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REVANANT View Post
    What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

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    Quote Originally Posted by REVANANT View Post
    What you're describing is basically a Quad without the pump, or as it's sometimes called a City Service Truck. Indianapolis has had several of these in the past.

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    Here an examples of the Indianna rigs. They don't look to have a huge amount of compartments or be especially manuverable.

    http://www.indianafiretrucks.com/pic...adders/113.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by skipatrol8 View Post
    7 hydraulic tools. Impressive.

    That thing is incredible. Reminds me of Orange CA tillered rescue. Looks like they spent a lot of time thinking it out. It also has to be one of the most organized rigs I a have ever seen.

    Also--does anyone know what FDNY ladder c.o.s carry for rescue equipment? I thought I read they have a set of jaws and what not.
    Your right the Orange,ca rig is a beast!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by residents View Post
    Does anyone out there have any experiance with the concept of a heavy truck? From my understanding this is basically a true ladder truck (without pump) that combines heavy rescue, and truck equipment on one piece of apparatus. Aside from the obvious benefit of a large monetary savings we were looking for any pros or cons about this concept. Our district is not busy enough to devote a full-time staff to either piece of apparatus. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
    Our tower is heavy rescue capable. We pretty much have the same compliment of rescue equipment as the Eden Tiller. There are so many pros, and no cons that I can think of. You just have to make sure your truck staff is Heavy Rescue trained.

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    http://www.cityoforange.org/civica/f...sp?BlobID=2010

    There is the link to Squad 6 in Orange, CA. That is the only tillered squad I have ever seen. Would love to see the equipment they carry on that beast.
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    The Raliegh/Durham area of NC has several "city service aerials". Cary, NC is specing out 2 currently. The other I remember is Durham Highway FD. Try www.firenews.net, they have a extensive list of NC departments. As for the Rescue Ladder, we currently have two on order. They are ALF 105' tractor-drawn aerials. They are designed to supplement our 2 heavy rescues and respond in their place if needed. Our other Truck companies will have a multi-tool, ram, sawzall and some other basic stuff and the theirs will back them up. But since out Rescues are also or Technical Rescue Team will are building in the tillers as a redundant back up.

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    OSD122, do you have a dept website that we can check out the tower. Or pics.

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    Too funny UnionffE2! I volunteered with Durham Highway in the late '90's and know what you are talking about. I will try to get some info on Cary's.

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    Thumbs up Cary - Truck 7

    I have posted photos of Cary Truck 7 (1996 Seagrave/Marion City Service Ladder) in the Youngstown Fire Forums. There is a photo of the complete rig and then a rear view showing the open ladder compartment. You can view the pictures at: http://www.youngstownfire.com/phpbb/...?p=27957#27957

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecfr1978 View Post
    OSD122, do you have a dept website that we can check out the tower. Or pics.
    Send me a PM with an email address, and I'll get some pics out to you.

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    My FD has two heavy rescue companies (heavy squads) and four truck companies, two of which are designated as "truck-squads". They carry extrication and limited rescue equipment. They are dispatched as a squad when a heavy squad is not avaliable to respond.

    A small career department I am familar with runs the concept you are refering to. They carry standard truck equipment as well as rope rescue, water rescue, extrication and trench panels/cribbing/shores on the rig. I tried to attach the pics but the file is too large. If you are interested get me your e-mail and I will send them to you direct.
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