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    Is there any Iaff Locals that have both full time and part time members
    within their departments that allow the part time members to be in the
    union? They may not vote, but since all members ft/pt benefit from the
    contract. My question is do you charge the pt members a union due that is
    less than the ft members since they get the benefits of the contract?


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    This is some you should ask your state level union office as laws vary from state to state. If you don't have a state office, consult the IAFF for guidance.

    If your local represents both ft and pt in contract negotiations, I personally see no reason why the pt crew shouldn't belong to the local but that's not something I've ever researched as far as what the IAFF allows. If the pt workers aren't members of the local, it's still typically legal to charge them an "agency fee" in lieu of union dues. The difference being that the agency fee can only be used for matters directly relating to the representation supplied to the workers by the local and so may be less than collected for union dues. (i.e. shared expenses directly related to contract negotiations, grievance representation, and any other services the union provides to the worker as an agent of the CBA)
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    I guess what I was looking for was there any unions that have non union firefighters that are part of your collective bargaining unit? In our union the non union firefighters still benifit from what we get in a new contract...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtfd72 View Post
    I guess what I was looking for was there any unions that have non union firefighters that are part of your collective bargaining unit? In our union the non union firefighters still benifit from what we get in a new contract...
    Yes. That's not all that uncommon anywhere employees are not required to join a Union as a condition of employment. The Union frequently represents the whole Bargaining Unit whether or not the whole workforce joins the Union. (It takes a majority of the workforce to agree to that, however...)

    However, since the non-Union members of the Bargaining Unit still benefit from Union activity, it's generally allowable to collect an "agency fee" from the non-Union members to cover the expenses of representing them in contract negotiations, grievance proceedings, etc. Depending on how the Union handles its finances, that fee can be the same amount collected for Union Dues or less.

    As I said above, this is something to take up with the Union's state office as the specifics will vary by legal jurisdiction.
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    Just be ready to get hit with one of these:

    http://www.nrtw.org/b/nr_519.php

    A union is entitled to it's fair share of the collective bargaining agreement, yet these scabs turn around and say their rights are violated. This "non-profit" group steps in and sues the union. Basically it is less expensive to not collect the dues than fight. It is nothing more than legal backmail, settle or we'll keep sueing.

    Have fun.

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