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    Default Firefighting documentary videos from Sweden

    I thought a few might be interested, it's in Swedish but I imagine most of what's going on is pretty self explanatory to firefighters.
    It's a tv documentary, three episodes are up online (free) so far (out of eight total) and it depicts the work of firefighters at Solna station in the Stockholm city FD.

    Episode 1, apartment fire, extradition from underneath a subway train: http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=719495

    Episode 2, apartment fire, two vehicle fires: http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=733736

    Episode 3, cardiac arrest, warehouse fire : http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=739079

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    Watched the first one so far, good to go. Good interior fire footage. I see the plastic bag for dead cats is a universal solution. Makes me want to learn Swedish.

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    This chick I know who lives in Sweden actually Im'd me about the show last night. She said we dont do anything in NYC compared to firemen in Sweden. Her only exposure to us was cutting a tree that was in the roadway LOL

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    The Swedes are s*** hot on the latest firefighting techniques and were amongst the first to grasp the flashover and backdraught phenomenon which was killing and injuring firefighters.

    Some of the stuff they do is amazing, theres some footage somewhere of a passenger ship fire where they used expolsives to gain entry through one side of the vessel!!
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    Did anyone else find the cardiac arrest a bit odd compared to how we do things over here?

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    Gotta agree with Trailboss2 on the cardiac arrest....VERY strange the way they operate...

    1) What's with the guy in the jumpseat sprinting into the building with NO
    equipment in hand? I have seen people in many depts. do this...what good
    are you without equipment??? You are basically just a bystander wearing
    a really bright coat.

    2) Pocket face mask (ok, they had O2 hooked to it) but WHY? BVM's reduce
    the workload on the rescuer doing ventilations & allow you to move more
    tidal volume. Anyone notice the lack of an OPA thoroughout the arrest?

    3) Ok, what's with the ET tube AFTER he takes a breath No
    OPA, no BVM the whole time, they shock the guy like 5 or 6 times & then
    when he takes a breath, they intubate him???!!! Ok, then they hook up
    the BVM (didn't see supplemental O2 from my vantage point) but they
    have no one squeezing the bag...you can clearly see the pt. straining to
    take a breath through the giant straw they just slid down his
    throat..

    Don't mean to nitpick but come on...I realize we all run our operations different but there were some basic fundamental care issues here that are
    wrong whether they're in Sweden or downtown Oshkosh here in the USA. Seems that they didn't have a clear cut system of who does what...the FF who kept re-landmarking for every set of compressions was pumping away, then he's trying to hook up leads, then he's pumping away again meanwhile the one EMT (the female) keeps reaching across the pt. to check a pulse as the bald headed EMT sits there with a look of HUH (what do we do now, George???) on his face.

    I realize we're all not perfect (I certainly don't claim to be) but there were some issues there that professional rescuers (read professional, not career or volunteer) should not be doing. Oh well, makes you glad you live in the USA...

    Just my 2 cents...overall, I thought it was a good show...despite the fact I had no idea what they were saying!!!! Stay Safe...

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    The fourth episode is up now, it has two apartment fires, small house fire, carrying aid during power outage, suspected suicide attempt and animal rescue.
    http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=743665

    In comment to what's been said above I can only say that I don't know enough about procedures surrounding a cardiac arrest to be able to say why they do as they do and so forth.

    Concerning using explosives though I can say that the Stockholm city FD (and a few other FDs) use explosives mounted on frames to mainly ventilate heavy roof structures when needed.

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    let us know when the vid's come out!!

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    This chick I know who lives in Sweden actually Im'd me about the show last night. She said we dont do anything in NYC compared to firemen in Sweden. Her only exposure to us was cutting a tree that was in the roadway LOL
    You have trees in NYC, and FDNY cut it up when it was in the road? What is this world coming too I guess the citizens of New York have you guys by the balls, don't they?

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    What was that about?

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    It's nice to know that she thinks they do nothing..wow.. A tree huh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firescueguy View Post
    Gotta agree with Trailboss2 on the cardiac arrest....VERY strange the way they operate...

    1) What's with the guy in the jumpseat sprinting into the building with NO
    equipment in hand? I have seen people in many depts. do this...what good
    are you without equipment??? You are basically just a bystander wearing
    a really bright coat.

    2) Pocket face mask (ok, they had O2 hooked to it) but WHY? BVM's reduce
    the workload on the rescuer doing ventilations & allow you to move more
    tidal volume. Anyone notice the lack of an OPA thoroughout the arrest?

    3) Ok, what's with the ET tube AFTER he takes a breath No
    OPA, no BVM the whole time, they shock the guy like 5 or 6 times & then
    when he takes a breath, they intubate him???!!! Ok, then they hook up
    the BVM (didn't see supplemental O2 from my vantage point) but they
    have no one squeezing the bag...you can clearly see the pt. straining to
    take a breath through the giant straw they just slid down his
    throat..

    Don't mean to nitpick but come on...I realize we all run our operations different but there were some basic fundamental care issues here that are
    wrong whether they're in Sweden or downtown Oshkosh here in the USA. Seems that they didn't have a clear cut system of who does what...the FF who kept re-landmarking for every set of compressions was pumping away, then he's trying to hook up leads, then he's pumping away again meanwhile the one EMT (the female) keeps reaching across the pt. to check a pulse as the bald headed EMT sits there with a look of HUH (what do we do now, George???) on his face.

    I realize we're all not perfect (I certainly don't claim to be) but there were some issues there that professional rescuers (read professional, not career or volunteer) should not be doing. Oh well, makes you glad you live in the USA...

    Just my 2 cents...overall, I thought it was a good show...despite the fact I had no idea what they were saying!!!! Stay Safe...
    Did you watch the next episode where the victim of the cardiac arrest walked into the firehall and personally thanked the firefighters? Given the fact that he survived I'd say that they didn't do as many things wrong as you suggest. Just because it's not how we do it in the good old USA doesn't make it wrong or any less effective. And unless you're fluent in Swedish, I'm not sure how you can logically make comments about the roles that the rescuers have on scene. How do we know that they weren't doing exactly what they were trained to do? As for the re-landmarking question...how do you keep your landmark when you're defibrillating your patients? I usually prefer to take my hands off them while they're getting zapped...so that means that I have to re-landmark.

    At the end of the day I agree, on my department no one would be running in without equipment, we would use an OPA and a BVM, and someone would be bagging the guy on the stretcher. But it's a different country than we live in, a different continent in fact, and as a result things are not going to always work the same way. But if they had a successful outcome, well that's pretty impressive.

    I've never run a successful code before, if we're shocking them and pounding on their chest they're generally not coming back. So I take my hat off to the brothers from Sweden. I think at the end of the day before I'd start the armchair quarterbacking I'd look at the most important thing...that man LIVED to see another day. Job well done to the boys!

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    Wow thanks, I think I might actually use this for a project. In my Water Systems class my instructor wants to research a different countries fire engine. Then give specs about it and compare it to ours in the US. At first someone in my group wanted Egypt. I found nothing. Then we tried Greenland, still nothing. So maybe we could switch to Sweeden.

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    I realize we all run our operations different but there were some basic fundamental care issues here that are wrong

    Says who? Please enlighten us on Stockholm's EMS protocols, since you're obviously the expert here.

    He walked into the station with no deficits whatsoever that I could see.

    Oh well, makes you glad you live in the USA...
    When was YOUR last save via your high and mighty, All-American methods?

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    Not going to get into a ****ing match here...there's no need for rude comments, I was merely stating MY opinion...doesn't mean it's right, wrong or indifferent, it's merely MY opinion (the one I'm entitled to have being a citizen of the good 'ole USA)....

    emt161 - I am in no way claiming to be an expert...oh and by the way, I've had a few saves in the past 16+ years using those good old USA proven techniques...

    FF21CFD - I certainly applaud the Swedish brothers for saving the guy's life...no , I don't speak fluent Swedish/German so I cannot say exactly how they operate or who was delegated to what job, I was merely pointing out issues that I observed (referred to as "armchair quarterbacking")...in the end,
    if they guy lived, more power to them...I just saw some fundamental issues that I would take issue with if they occured here...

    Just my 3 cents (it costs more, it's a rebuttal)....Stay Safe...

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    Thank you for bringing these videos to light. The type of construction is interesting over there. It seems most places are built of fire resistive type construction. I was wondering if anyone knew the time duration for their scba's. Anyone who can shed some light on their tactics and methods would be great. I was also wondering what type of fire hose are they using. It looks like 1.5 with a quick connect system, but not sure.
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    Two more episodes are up now:

    Episode 5; New Year's Eve at the station, apartment fire caused by a firework rocket (having to break through a "burglar safe" steel door to get to it), car/mobile home fire, subway fire (SCBA leak for one of the FFs). http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=749481

    Episode 6; selling firefighter calenders for the benefit of injured firefighters, apt. building stairwell fire, car fire, apartment fire, one of the FFs participating in a cross-country ski race, ice rescue, fire cracker in garbage chute. http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=755421

    Bonus clip; a pretty corny firefighting documentary from 1937, also about the Stockholm FD but featuring the Kungsholmen station. http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...29657&a=738962

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    First of all...you have to realize the set-up for emergency services is different when you are not in the USA, especially in Europe.

    For example, for a city of 1 million people, you may only have 10 Firehouses but each will have from 15-30 personnel.

    In the cardiac arrest video, the first 2 crews are BLS, and the 3 that show up later are respectively paramedics and a doctor. This is common in European EMS systems.

    The reason that you see people running in with out equipment, is that often they send one person to give a "size-up" in order to figure out what to send up with the next crew.

    You cannot look out our system of operation and compare it with Europe, or other countries.

    For example, go to Marseilles in France. 8 Firehouses, city of 1 million people. NO SPRINKLERS, NO SMOKE DETECTORS and most buildings are from the 1600-1700's and ALL buildings are 6-7 Story Multiple Dwellings that are attached to other MD of a similar size. The density is at a level approaching Manhattan or San Francisco and the send one station to a fire, with 15-20 people. Thats all. 15 people. For a 6 story multiple dwelling.

    Yeah...its a bit different over there. And they get to drink 2 glasses of wine per meal. (This alone should start another conversation....)
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    Seventh episode is up: suicide jumper talk down, response to aircraft emergency landing, apartment fire with rescue of unconcious person and search of second apartment, water leak in apt. building.
    http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=760525

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    Did Stockholm Fire always do EMS or was it a recent takeover like it has been in the US for many areas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShuckingGome View Post
    Did Stockholm Fire always do EMS or was it a recent takeover like it has been in the US for many areas?
    They don't run ambulances, those are operated indirectly by the county.
    They run medical responses in cardiac arrest cases in order to reach the patient as fast as possible, and also in situations where ambulance crews need some sort of special assistance. Some FD's run ambulances, but fewer in the last few years.

    Quote Originally Posted by nwadler
    Thank you for bringing these videos to light. The type of construction is interesting over there. It seems most places are built of fire resistive type construction. I was wondering if anyone knew the time duration for their scba's. Anyone who can shed some light on their tactics and methods would be great. I was also wondering what type of fire hose are they using. It looks like 1.5 with a quick connect system, but not sure.
    Apartment buildings built within the last few decades are built on the principle that each apartment is a fire cell and I think depending on when they were built the walls between apartments are supposed to withstand 30-60 minutes of fire before allowing it to spread. The SCBA's I believe are more or less identical to the Interspiros sold in the US so I'm sure someone here can answer how long they last.

    The basic setup of the department is with task forces pretty similar to the LAFD, most task forces have two engines and one ladder with one chief, two officers and six firefighters. This might change very soon due to budgetary cutbacks.
    Basic apartment fire tactics appears to be with two SCBA firefighters on point, another assisting with breaking down doors and one interior operations supervisor making sure they don't get into trouble. I don't know what the work distribution for the rest are.


    Basic overview of the Stockholm FD:
    Currently about 90 firefighters are on duty per shift, they cover the Stockholm city itself and two other municipalities by contract, in total about 900,000 residents and many more commuters and tourists. Mutual and automatic aid agreements are extensive with surrounding departments.
    Subways, car tunnels and in general complex urban structure complicates operations.

    As mentioned above they use task forces, nine around the clock and one during daytime on weekdays with a bit varying size. A citywide tour commander and an assistant CTC commands operations involving multiple task forces.
    The individual task forces usually have a speciality such as hazmat or water diving in addition to their regular firefighting tasks.
    Here's a map overview, Johannes is the HQ/dispatch and Hägersten is the daytime weekdays station, the rest are regular stations: http://www.brand.stockholm.se//templ...ns/botten2.gif
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    The final episode is up: http://svt.se/svt/road/Classic/share...61734&a=765227

    Features an MVA, a bit of training, looking for suicide jumper, second MVA, retrieving a key from a tree, smoke from pot left on stove and a suicidal person trapped under a subway train.

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    I only watched the first three episodes...but that is pretty much how we do things over here in the UK... (apart from the Snow)... For the apartment fires, a couple of Pumps riding 4/5 and maybe an aerial. Two man BA crew with TIC's in very quickly with a higher pressure low flow handline straight from the tank, our construction is very similar right across Europe and does away with the need for half a dozen apparatus, venting, roof cuts and so on. Just get in and get it done.

    We couldn't possibly fit in EMS work because of the amount of fires and special services (MVA's, Hazmats, Floods, Shut in lifts etc...) we attend in the UK, but we are now beginning to see more EMS Training across the UK Fire Service because the Ambulances are flat out (We waited a hour and a half last week on an MVA extrication because there was only one ambulance with 2 paramedics on scene and no more ambulances available across the Whole of East London). However, I saw nothing different in their CPR methods to what I see over here?

    My only real issue was the way they dealt with the Warehouse fire... we would have hit that a lot harder and made the job up (further alarms) to get the appropriate number of resources on the scene, it seemed to me that they dealt with that job with just a couple of Pump and less than 10 Ff's...that would have been 4-6 Pumps over here with 20-30 Ff's.

    All in all, pretty much the same stuff, but different Country. I think the thing to realise is the American way is the unique system.

    It only seems to be done your way in the USA & Canada and related territories. All of Europe, Asia and Australasia and the Commonwealth Countries follow the same system of Firefighting shown on these programmes... In essence; heavily equipped Pumps that carry a whole host of equipment & Ground Ladders. Our Aerial Trucks ride with 2 man Crews dotted about across Brigade areas used just for Rescue and High access/Firefighting.

    As someone else stated earlier, Fire Stations are much thinner on the ground over here, The whole of the UK only has 60,000 Firefighters and as a comparison, London, Geographically larger than NYC with a similarly large and diverse population only has 7000 Firefighters running from 112 Stations answering a similar number of calls. The key difference is a Fire Call in London will attract 2 Pumps and possibly an aerial and 4 Pumps on multiple calls... thus explaining why we can't do EMS unless they give us 1000's more Apparatus & personnel.

    I will have a look at some more of the episodes and no doubt report back.

    There is a documentary about to start in the UK, Filmed with Greater Manchester Fire Service (They are a busy Metropolitain FB the next in size and work after London, similar to an FDNY/Chicago comparison I guess) The programme will apparently be called 'Inferno 999' and promises to show the ugly reality of Firefighting in the UK...I hope it is online like this Swedish programme... I think it might open a few eyes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by SteveDude View Post
    My only real issue was the way they dealt with the Warehouse fire... we would have hit that a lot harder and made the job up (further alarms) to get the appropriate number of resources on the scene, it seemed to me that they dealt with that job with just a couple of Pump and less than 10 Ff's...that would have been 4-6 Pumps over here with 20-30 Ff's.
    It's not readily apparant from the images but the narrator claims that multiple stations were summoned plus you can see two leading firefighters saying hi at one point and then commences to discuss what the best approach to fighting the fire is.
    So it seems that that also about falls in line with the amount of resources you would have allocated in the UK.

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    Ahhh...I stand corrected then, the benefits of speaking Swedish are clearly evident here!!!

    I also noted that the Ff's have strenuos Physical examinations as was shown in the first episode, we have to have a Routine medical & Fitness assessment every three years. I know this is easy with Employed Ff's but clearly explains why Heart Attacks are not an issue for European Ff's.

    The only other thing I noticed was Ff's & Officers with beards or Growths. Apart from a Moustache, no facial hair is allowed in the UK becuase of the BA seal...by all accounts the Manufacturers will consider any guarantee's void if facial hair is an issue with a BA wearer. How does this work in Sweden?
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