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    Question First Due?

    Just wondering if "first due" is a term you use to describe your first in response area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thebravest1 View Post
    Just wondering if "first due" is a term you use to describe your first in response area?
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    whew! Ok. As it happens, we use First Due only in the context of EMS. The reason is because we run a rescue but don't transport, so there is a distinction between first due and second.

    For fire calls, we all respond out of a single station, and the TOE for apparatus depends on the call, so there is no designated "first due" unit.

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    Uhmmmm.....sometimes. Mostly we call it a "still district".

    Hey second part to the question...

    What is the one place in your "First Due" that you dread the day it is actually on fire / or is really unique.

    Our Engine would be a hospital 3 blocks away, like 4 stories, 60 years old, old utility systems....etc. Would be a nightmare.



    next....
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    We call it our First In...some Chiefs have been using First Due but for the most part it's First In

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    It's called a 'still district' here.
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    With 5 stations, first due in our Dept means the area that your company is responsible for. The way our borders are, you may or may not get to some of the calls on your company's border first, due to traffic, rigs on the road, etc. We also use the connotation with trucks/rescues, who are first due of their compnay type, not necessarily from the closest station.

    As far as scariest place in my engine's first due, it would be an alcohol dependency treatment center. It's in an old school, no sprinklers, small rooms and dividers everywhere, and overnight residents who aren't very stable mentally as is. The staff doesn't impress as me as very well trained, and there are locks and screens on the doors/windows.

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    yes..........
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    We call it "The Big Red Truck wot got there first".

    Anything else is confusing.
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    Same as Gunnyv, first due is the geographical area assigned to each company. The place(s) I dread burning in my first due are the 4,5 story walkup s##tholes that have been illegally sectioned off and contain multiple maze like illegal apartments. When you get there, they look like one big apartment from outside, and contain3, or 4 smaller ones inside with zero fire protection, and just all around dangerous for everyone.

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    In my area the "1st due" is your main responce area or fire district. In my county most districts only have one station. The "2nd due" would be the mutal aid dept helping you or in some cases the automatic aid dept helping you, hence being the 2nd fire dept to arrive at the scene.

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    We have "first due" but it is not often used in the terms of dispatch. We use it to represent the boxes we are closer to than any other company...generally for things like hydrant checking etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by volfireman034 View Post
    In my area the "1st due" is your main responce area or fire district. In my county most districts only have one station. The "2nd due" would be the mutal aid dept helping you or in some cases the automatic aid dept helping you, hence being the 2nd fire dept to arrive at the scene.
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    here first due = area of coverage
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    here first due means first do to whatever type of call.

    For example

    Heavy rescue is first due to MVA
    Engine first due to fires
    ladder ladder first due (truck wise, after one engine gets out) to fires

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    Yes we use it. The chiefs use it to deignate a geographical area.

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    I use the term "first due" and definatly do not use "still". To me, a "still" is osmething used to make moonshine/alcohol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    I use the term "first due" and definatly do not use "still". To me, a "still" is osmething used to make moonshine/alcohol.
    We've been using the term 'still' on the CFD longer than california has been a state. Get some time on, new guys.
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    Every Engine and Truck in the FDNY has 1st and 2nd Due Boxes....Engines have 3rd and 4th Due also. They are assigned based on the area the companies cover. When all companies are in service in their response area, and a Box is transmitted, a "ticket" is recieved by each company that is to respond. The 1st due Engine is listed 1st, 2nd Due Engine listed 2nd etc.....The importance is that it dictates each companies function (what they are responsible to do) at the job.

    An Engine that is normally 2nd or 3rd due, may be 1st or 2nd due if the normally assigned 1st or 2nd due company is on another run or is out of service. Same with Truck Companies. An example...I've been 1st due Truck at Boxes we normally would'nt go to until a 2nd Alarm; because the normally assigned companies were operating at another Box. Again the importance of it all is what actions each company is responsible for at the job,based on what "due" they are.

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    We've been using the term 'still' on the CFD longer than california has been a state. Get some time on, new guys.

    Same here Chicago.....

    We are "1st Due" in our "Still District".

    Here in StLFD...the orer due dictates what your duties will be.

    A "Still Alarm" for us is 4 companies (3 Engines, 1 H&L), and a chief.

    1st due will perform engine co. duties, 2nd in truck, 3rd back up water/RIT, H&L does truck work and RIT work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    Every Engine and Truck in the FDNY has 1st and 2nd Due Boxes....Engines have 3rd and 4th Due also. They are assigned based on the area the companies cover. When all companies are in service in their response area, and a Box is transmitted, a "ticket" is recieved by each company that is to respond. The 1st due Engine is listed 1st, 2nd Due Engine listed 2nd etc.....The importance is that it dictates each companies function (what they are responsible to do) at the job.

    An Engine that is normally 2nd or 3rd due, may be 1st or 2nd due if the normally assigned 1st or 2nd due company is on another run or is out of service. Same with Truck Companies. An example...I've been 1st due Truck at Boxes we normally would'nt go to until a 2nd Alarm; because the normally assigned companies were operating at another Box. Again the importance of it all is what actions each company is responsible for at the job,based on what "due" they are.
    Do you think the ol' FDNYbopper knows this ?
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    First due, still alarm district, being first all the same. Depends on where youse live!

    East Coast (right coast) calls it still district. New guys have picked up the first due term.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1 View Post
    Do you think the ol' FDNYbopper knows this ?

    Of course he does. Engine 66 and Ladder 62 are first due to EVERY fire in NYC. He can even pump the line in idle and flow a master stream

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    Allright, thats what I needed to know. First Due is the working title for a serious video game project I'm currently developing with Michigan State University and Reactor Zero game studio. If any of you smoke eaters want to be in the game or contribute scenarios for the game, hit me up at bradlilly@comcast.net. We'll have a website up & running at www.first-due.com in a few weeks where you can learn more.
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