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    Default Hosebed question

    I have seen LAFDs latest engine design and was wondering if given the relatively short hosebed could 1000' of 5" and 700 feet of 2.5" be fit into the hosebed? In the spec sheet I have seen from Seagrave the hosebed is designed for 700' of 4" and 700' of 2.5". Just curious, but I like the maneuverability of the short wheelbase.

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    The FAMA website show the 5" hose (100') is 3723 cubic inches and the 2.5" is 1414 cubic inches (50'). If you can find the dimensions of the hosebed you can calculate the cubic inches availalbe and then figure it out.

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    Thanks, that is good info.

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    is that a 500 gal tank ? I am looking to lower the hosedbed on our next engine, the FDNY used to have nice low beds too.
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    Default yes

    I believe both the Seagrave's and Pierce's have 500 gallon tanks..

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    Cincinnati purchased several E One's with low hosebeds in 2003 and 2004. You can see a photo of one with the bed empty at: Engine 46 - Hosebed.

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    Default low hosebed??

    I sometimes question the functionality of these "low" hosebeds. Did anyone see the NJ Seagrave pumper a month or 2 ago in the "Apparatus Architect" series in Firehouse magazine? They noted the short wheelbase and low hosebed height. Well, because of those, the TOP of the LDH bed was as high as the high-side compartment tops! It doesn't really matter what the bottom height is, it's the top you are hand-strecthing and packing.

    If the height of a water tank is lowered, cubic feet must be added somewhere to give the same water capacity, usually vertically in the front, creating a shorter bed. Shorter bed = higher top of bed for the same amount of hose. Not to mention a higher center of gravity, particularly in the "short-wheelbase" models. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigjim1301 View Post
    The FAMA website show the 5" hose (100') is 3723 cubic inches and the 2.5" is 1414 cubic inches (50'). If you can find the dimensions of the hosebed you can calculate the cubic inches availalbe and then figure it out.
    I think these figures depend on which way it is packed and how well it is packed, am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weruj1 View Post
    is that a 500 gal tank ? I am looking to lower the hosedbed on our next engine, the FDNY used to have nice low beds too.
    Something like this?

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    Now that's a hosebed,hehe T.C.

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    That picture kinda blows a hole my theory. But a few considerations:
    1- I may be wrong, but I think thats an old photo when FDNY used only 250-300 gallon tanks. Now they use 500 gallon and most other depts are 750+.
    2-Not much hose compared to what many suburban (not urban) areas require.
    3-Hosebeds in general are not that wide anymore. Almost every manufacturer is making the high-side compts deeper to accomodate the demand for more storage.

    I guess a rig can be built exactly as a dept. requires but if you want large compartments, large water tank and large hose capacity, its going to be high unless the body is very long. somethin's gotta give.

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    And if you're in an urban area...your needs for more water, more hose, and more compartments is a bit limited.

    All comes down to what you need for your area. My company's main attack Engine-Tank has a 1200 gallon booster tank with 1000' of 4" -- and the 4" is usually used laying up a driveway. Driveway line is fed by either tankers (we have a 3000 gallon ET, too), or by a split-lay by our Engine reverse laying upto 5000' to water. We could work in Brooklyn, NY and they could work in Brooklyn, CT but neither would be optimized for the area. We'd be scrambling for enough 1.75" or 2.5" hose; they'd be struggling to establish water supply for anything more than a room & contents.

    The compromise in our area is the hose & ladders end up high off the ground, but we need the water more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Something like this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    Something like this?

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    HOLY CRAP!!!

    Wow that sucker is low.


    I would imagine that their couldn't be too much compartment space on that sucker.?
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    This is a picture of the truck my dad sold to Red Bank, TN when he was the Crimson dealer. I believe this truck has a 700 gallon tank. It has room for a lot more hose than they carry.

    http://www.gobigwater.com/images/red...ngine1Rear.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by WCENG23 View Post
    This is a picture of the truck my dad sold to Red Bank, TN when he was the Crimson dealer. I believe this truck has a 700 gallon tank. It has room for a lot more hose than they carry.

    http://www.gobigwater.com/images/red...ngine1Rear.jpg
    That should be http://www.gotbigwater.com/images/re...ngine1Rear.jpg

    Gotbigwater, not gobigwater

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    that is exactly what I am talking about ...............got anymore pics ?
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    Default Hose Bed Heights

    There are various factors for a low hose bed height and as said by one on here you still pull the hose from the top so the lower height isn't the only factor.

    Here's a Burnaby BC Smeal CAFS Side Mount Pumper with a 182" WB and 500 G of water and 1000' x 4" 1000' x 2-1/2" and 1000' x 1-3/4" and nice and easy to deploy and reload.
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    Thanks for correcting the link, I didn't even check it. They have more pictures of the truck on their web site. Lots of departments in our area are showing a lot of interest in low hosebed models.

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    The first photo is Columbus Ohio. 750 gal water tank. The next two are Savannah,Ga. 700 gals. water and 50 of Foam. The Savannah unit carries 200' 2.5" preconnect, 1000' 5", 500' 2.5", 300' 1.75" preconnect. The unit will hold alot more hose! It is a Spartan/Crimson.
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    Oh this is a stupid question, but wouldnt it be a little mor challenging to repack the hose with those humoungous hosebed dividers in there?????
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    This is a hosebed that one would find on a typical Engine today.

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    FFFred,

    2 questions for you.

    1) What is the standard hoseload on your current engine companies?

    2) How will that change on the new 2000 gpm LDH engines that are being bid right now?

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    Having just spec'd a new engine with a "low" hosebed you need to look at a couple things.

    1. Is this going to be a "rescue" engine- carrying everything a squad does along with water.

    2. What type of compartments are you going to have. Full height/Full Depth, 3/4 depth and roll ups, so on and so forth.

    3. What are the hose loads you are carrying. For us it is 1000' of 5", 600' of 3" to a skid and 400' of 2.5 leader line

    4. What size tank do you need or in some cases can you get by with.

    I can't upload the pics but I can send them out if you want them

    Good Luck and Be Safe

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    UnionFFE2 you have any more pictures of those new Columbus Sutphen Engines? If so send me a pm. Thanks

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