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    New to this game. Our department is looking into a new quint however our board would like to see some pictures of different ones. We are looking at a 75 foot. If you have a picture of yours please post and your recommendations as far as what to purchase. Thanks for your help!!!

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    You should present the quint that works best for your area. Before even discussing manufacturers and options, you need to make some other decisions. Stick vs. platform? 75' vs. 105'? Tandem rear axle vs. single rear axle? Once you make those decisions and figure out what options you want, contact the manufacturers and start looking at specs. Be sure to compare apples to apples between manufacturers. For instance, don't try to compare Truck A with a medium block diesel against Truck B with a big block diesel.
    If you want to send me PM with any other questions, feel free to do so. Our Department bought a new quint two years ago and evaluated all the major manufacturers.

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    Every manufacturer has a plethora of pictures () on their websites. figure out what type of a stick / platform you want, and print away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiefSquirrel View Post
    You should present the quint that works best for your area. Before even discussing manufacturers and options, you need to make some other decisions. Stick vs. platform? 75' vs. 105'? Tandem rear axle vs. single rear axle? Once you make those decisions and figure out what options you want, contact the manufacturers and start looking at specs. Be sure to compare apples to apples between manufacturers. For instance, don't try to compare Truck A with a medium block diesel against Truck B with a big block diesel.
    If you want to send me PM with any other questions, feel free to do so. Our Department bought a new quint two years ago and evaluated all the major manufacturers.
    ChiefSquirrel is right on in his posting! Most of what has been posted so far are good things to take into account. However before you start looking at manufacturers I would suggest you sit down and take the time to come up with ideas of what you would like the Truck to do! Then come up with a performance specification before you look at manufacturers. If you don't have any one in your department with the knowledge to do that I suggest you find some one from outside to help you with it. Sales people from different manufacturers can be knowledgeable however you have to remember that they are selling a certain product which may or may not be exactly what you are looking for. Come up with a performance spec first then when you have picked your manufacturer you can tweak the spec if needed.

    If you want to send me an e-mail with any other questions you may have feel free to do so. My department has been running a Quint since 1991.

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    My Dept recently placed this Pierce Dash 75' HAL into service. This is essentially our first aerial. We had a used Mack/Scope they bought for evaluation purposes, and didnt want to spend the $$ when they found a crack in the 2nd fly of the boom.

    It has the following:
    (1) 24' extension Ladder
    (1) 35' extension Ladder
    (2) 16' Roof Ladders
    (2) 10' Attic(scissor) Ladders
    (1) Little Giant Ladder
    (5) 6' Halligan Hooks
    (2) 8' Halligan Hooks
    (2) 10' Halligan Hooks
    (1) 6' Pike Pole

    Tank and Pump Size (2000 GPM Single Stage, 500 Gallons)
    2 trashlines of 100' each (there are 2 troughs)
    (2) 210' of 1 3/4" preconnect crosslay
    600' of 2 1/2" deadbed crosslay
    300' of 2 1/2" reduced to 300' of 1 3/4" deadbed crosslay

    The only thing that isnt on this truck is the hurst tool, it is on our rescue pumper, which also has a full compliment of truck tools and air bags as well





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    You've gotten some very good advice so far. My departments first aerial device just went into service last year. Never having owned an aerial we did allot of homework. One thing that was especially helpful was getting demo units to come in, straight ladders, platforms, diffrent lenghts, etc. We just didn't just set these up at the station, we took them out in the community and set them up at our larger structures. We used this data to help come up with our specifications. In the end we purchased a 75' aluminum ladder quint, with a 520 hp detroit, 1500 gpm pump, 460 gallon water, 40 gallons foam and CAFS. In the end the unit is well suited for current and future needs of our community, but it took over two years of homework to make sure.

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    What is the tip load of the rig pictured? 500lbs dry?

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    Stay low and move it in.

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    Pierces 75' HAL ladder has a 750 pound dry tip load, 500 pound wet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz288 View Post
    My Dept recently placed this Pierce Dash 75' HAL into service. This is essentially our first aerial. We had a used Mack/Scope they bought for evaluation purposes, and didnt want to spend the $$ when they found a crack in the 2nd fly of the boom.

    It has the following:
    (1) 24' extension Ladder
    (1) 35' extension Ladder
    (2) 16' Roof Ladders
    (2) 10' Attic(scissor) Ladders
    (1) Little Giant Ladder
    (5) 6' Halligan Hooks
    (2) 8' Halligan Hooks
    (2) 10' Halligan Hooks
    (1) 6' Pike Pole

    Tank and Pump Size (2000 GPM Single Stage, 500 Gallons)
    2 trashlines of 100' each (there are 2 troughs)
    (2) 210' of 1 3/4" preconnect crosslay
    600' of 2 1/2" deadbed crosslay
    300' of 2 1/2" reduced to 300' of 1 3/4" deadbed crosslay

    The only thing that isnt on this truck is the hurst tool, it is on our rescue pumper, which also has a full compliment of truck tools and air bags as well





    That is one very nice looking quint 75' HAL, I had seen a demo unit last year built with a Pierce Arrow XT chassis at Fire & saftey Services that sold for $ 569,000 with about 6000 miles on her !...

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    Ferrera has a demo 77' Quint for $519,900.00

    Ferrara Inferno Chassis w/8" Notched Raised Roof
    Detroit 500 HP Engine
    Allison EVS4000 Transmission
    Hale QMAX 2000 GPM Pump
    500 Gallon Poly Tank
    Heavy Duty Extruded Aluminum Body
    EZ Stack Hose Load
    Whelen LED Lighting Package
    Ferrara Red


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    One option I like on our quints that you might consider is pump panel controls for the aerial. If you're limited on manpower for whatever reason and need the stick in the air, the engineer can control the stick from the pump panel, instead of having to find someone to climb to the platform. Our panels are pretty limited and used primarily when we're defensive.

    Ours are Rosenbauers on HME chassis. I don't care for the chassis as we've had all three (2 '00 and 1 '05) break suspension springs, among other issues.

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    Our department purchased a 75' telesqurt on an American LaFrance chassis back in 2003. We are a part-paid department with limited daytime personnel. The quick setup of this truck was a key in the purchase.

    The weight ratings are equivalent to that of 75' ladders with 500lbs dry under 45 degrees and 750lbs over 45 degrees.

    The truck was designed as a pumper with the aerial being the secondary device. Some of the particulars are listed below.

    500 gallon tank
    1500 pump
    1000' 5" hose
    600' 3" hose
    400' 2 1/2"
    400' 1 3/4"
    10 airpacks
    10 spare cylinders
    12000 lb front winch
    auto tire chains
    28' extension ladder
    14' roof ladder
    10' attic ladder

    Detroit Diesel 435 hp electronic engine
    Allison EVS4000 5 speed transmission

    Bottom line on quints depends on the needs of your department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by osh599 View Post
    Our department purchased a 75' telesqurt on an American LaFrance chassis back in 2003. We are a part-paid department with limited daytime personnel. The quick setup of this truck was a key in the purchase.

    The weight ratings are equivalent to that of 75' ladders with 500lbs dry under 45 degrees and 750lbs over 45 degrees.

    The truck was designed as a pumper with the aerial being the secondary device. Some of the particulars are listed below.

    500 gallon tank
    1500 pump
    1000' 5" hose
    600' 3" hose
    400' 2 1/2"
    400' 1 3/4"
    10 airpacks
    10 spare cylinders
    12000 lb front winch
    auto tire chains
    28' extension ladder
    14' roof ladder
    10' attic ladder

    Detroit Diesel 435 hp electronic engine
    Allison EVS4000 5 speed transmission

    Bottom line on quints depends on the needs of your department.

    http://www.americanlafrance.com/inte...=21&nd=1&x=380
    Has your department ever used the ladder on the squirt for " RESCUE " or only master stream ?

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    Taz288 do you have the spec's for that truck! Please send me a email mrnadeau@snet.net Thanks!!!

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    We have used the ladder once to make entry into an apartment which was on the 5th floor. We went in thru the balcony since our patient was lying up against the entry door. We have used the aerial as a master stream once at a residential fire.

    For the most part we use the ladder for faster egress to roofs of our commercial buildings.

    Since we are a part-paid department, we purchased this truck for a faster way to deploy an aerial device with minimum personnel. Daytime responses usually only bring out about a dozen or less personnel from our department with initial aid departments bringing additional staffing.

    So to answer your question as to do we use this for only rescues or as a master stream....It would depend on the type of incident for which we are responding to. We like to think outside of the box whenever possible with our two aerial devices.

    We have a 85' Snorkel quint that is our primary aerial device but we all know the limitations that this truck presents. Having the 75' telesqurt gives us another option plus the telesqurt responds first out on all fires from a staffed house. Where the snorkel is second out and requires the response of other drivers to the firehouse to get the truck.

    I would say that about 85% of our alarms are for EMS with the remaining 15% being fires, fire alarms, PI's, nuisance fires and hazmat.

    Hope this somewhat answers your question.
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    Our department has on order a KME 75' tandem axle with 650 gallons water, 2000 gpm pump, 30 gallons foam and upgraded foam system capable of flowing 1500 gpm 1% foam, less flow with 3-6% foam. It has 525 CAT engine and all wheel disc brakes. It is also fully ISO ready. [COLOR="Black"]If you want to keep brakes on your truck get tandem axles. It doesn't matter what brand you buy if everyone will be honest they can't keep brakes on the single axle trucks.[/COLOR] To much weight to stop for single axles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mduran View Post
    Our department has on order a KME 75' tandem axle with 650 gallons water, 2000 gpm pump, 30 gallons foam and upgraded foam system capable of flowing 1500 gpm 1% foam, less flow with 3-6% foam. It has 525 CAT engine and all wheel disc brakes. It is also fully ISO ready. [COLOR="Black"]If you want to keep brakes on your truck get tandem axles. It doesn't matter what brand you buy if everyone will be honest they can't keep brakes on the single axle trucks.[/COLOR] To much weight to stop for single axles.
    We have a 2005 Kme Excel Extreme pumper that has been very good to us so far. What was the cost of your new KME 75' quint ?

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    Does that Pierce have the 33500#rear axle, if so what is your top speed? Is that a 230 wheelbase?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireRescue43 View Post
    You've gotten some very good advice so far. My departments first aerial device just went into service last year. Never having owned an aerial we did allot of homework. One thing that was especially helpful was getting demo units to come in, straight ladders, platforms, diffrent lenghts, etc. We just didn't just set these up at the station, we took them out in the community and set them up at our larger structures. We used this data to help come up with our specifications. In the end we purchased a 75' aluminum ladder quint, with a 520 hp detroit, 1500 gpm pump, 460 gallon water, 40 gallons foam and CAFS. In the end the unit is well suited for current and future needs of our community, but it took over two years of homework to make sure.

    Very good advice here. Make sure you bring in lots of demos!!! We looked at everything. Looked for two years. It proved to be very helpful. Limit it down to a couple you really like, then compare apples to apples.

    We are in rural PA. Our quint works great! Its an e-one HP75. Havn't had nay trouble with it. We cover a borough about 1sq mile and a township of 30sq mile. Population of about 6000. It is first out on all structural calls. We have 1000' of 5". 2000 GPM pump, 500 water. Also it is set up with 21' of hard suction. That gives enough to draft from a porta-tank right at the front bumper in our non-hydrant areas with a tanker shuttle.

    Basicly...and im sure yo know....buy what you need, and what you will use the most. Take these demos out and use em in the district. And make sure the thing isnt too big to get around you area without too much difficulty. That is how accidents happen.
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    Crimson is taking over in North Texas. They make a great product but you dont hear to much about them. Dallas, Chicago, Arlington and im sure some other large cities are using them. Their quints are great! Very user friendly and the hose bed has a fold down side that you can stand on to reload your 5 inch. Go to their website and click where it says reach, itll show you alot more. If you were at FRI in dallas you probably saw their stuff. Dallas had a few tiller trucks and I think arlington had one of their ladders there.






    http://www.crimson-fire.com/crimson/...ts/aerials.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    We have a 2005 Kme Excel Extreme pumper that has been very good to us so far. What was the cost of your new KME 75' quint ?
    $677,000 for the new quint. We currently have 3 KME's and we are very pleased with our trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sfd2605
    my personal opinion for any department is a 75' ladder is insufficient unless like i said ur lookin for a elevated masterstream or 75' ground ladder basicly.
    Our 75' stick is one of the most versatile aerials around. I appreciate your opinion, but I also know there have been COUNTLESS times over the past 17 years we've had the rig that it was able to operate where other aerials could not (including our own 95' midmount tower ladder). I think you're selling the versatility of a 75' rearmount, single axle, single set of outriggers rig way short (pun intended).

    Quote Originally Posted by mduran
    If you want to keep brakes on your truck get tandem axles. It doesn't matter what brand you buy if everyone will be honest they can't keep brakes on the single axle trucks.
    Our 75' single axle quint is 17 years old and built entirely from heavy galvanized steel with a 340 gallon steel tank. It has rather small front disc brakes and rear drum brakes. An 8V92 motor with a practically ineffective Jake. Yet, we have no problem stopping it! With today's lighter materials (aluminum bodies, poly tanks) and better brakes (17" front disc) as well as the much more effective stopping power of the Jake on an inline 6 motor, there is no reason at all why you shouldn't be able to get very good braking on one of these rigs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mduran View Post
    $677,000 for the new quint. We currently have 3 KME's and we are very pleased with our trucks.
    To: mduran, Thanks for the info on your new KME quint 75' tandem. I have a bid list from Kme with state contract prices, there Predator 75' Ladder:Rearmount, Tandem Axle,1500 GPM pump, 500 Water, 5.5 Kw Hyd/pto Gen, ( Base) $559,193. The single Axle is $ 544,435 W/ Cummins ISL425 HP EVS 3000 Trans !...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chauffer6 View Post
    Our 75' stick is one of the most versatile aerials around. I appreciate your opinion, but I also know there have been COUNTLESS times over the past 17 years we've had the rig that it was able to operate where other aerials could not (including our own 95' midmount tower ladder). I think you're selling the versatility of a 75' rearmount, single axle, single set of outriggers rig way short (pun intended).



    Our 75' single axle quint is 17 years old and built entirely from heavy galvanized steel with a 340 gallon steel tank. It has rather small front disc brakes and rear drum brakes. An 8V92 motor with a practically ineffective Jake. Yet, we have no problem stopping it! With today's lighter materials (aluminum bodies, poly tanks) and better brakes (17" front disc) as well as the much more effective stopping power of the Jake on an inline 6 motor, there is no reason at all why you shouldn't be able to get very good braking on one of these rigs.
    The turning radius with the tandemn is shorter than single. I am no expert I know I hear alot of complaints about single axles wearing out brakes to fast. You also said that you only carry 340 gallons of water we carry 650 gallons. That is alot of weight difference almost twice the amount.

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