Looking at new quints

[HCRFD702]

New to this game. Our department is looking into a new quint however our board would like to see some pictures of different ones. We are looking at a 75 foot. If you have a picture of yours please post and your recommendations as far as what to purchase. Thanks for your help!!!

[ChiefSquirrel]

You should present the quint that works best for your area. Before even discussing manufacturers and options, you need to make some other decisions. Stick vs. platform? 75' vs. 105'? Tandem rear axle vs. single rear axle? Once you make those decisions and figure out what options you want, contact the manufacturers and start looking at specs. Be sure to compare apples to apples between manufacturers. For instance, don't try to compare Truck A with a medium block diesel against Truck B with a big block diesel.
If you want to send me PM with any other questions, feel free to do so. Our Department bought a new quint two years ago and evaluated all the major manufacturers.

[Heretic]

Every manufacturer has a plethora of pictures () on their websites. figure out what type of a stick / platform you want, and print away!

-H

[sfd2605]

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[Chief1FF]

You should present the quint that works best for your area. Before even discussing manufacturers and options, you need to make some other decisions. Stick vs. platform? 75' vs. 105'? Tandem rear axle vs. single rear axle? Once you make those decisions and figure out what options you want, contact the manufacturers and start looking at specs. Be sure to compare apples to apples between manufacturers. For instance, don't try to compare Truck A with a medium block diesel against Truck B with a big block diesel.
If you want to send me PM with any other questions, feel free to do so. Our Department bought a new quint two years ago and evaluated all the major manufacturers.

ChiefSquirrel is right on in his posting! Most of what has been posted so far are good things to take into account. However before you start looking at manufacturers I would suggest you sit down and take the time to come up with ideas of what you would like the Truck to do! Then come up with a performance specification before you look at manufacturers. If you don't have any one in your department with the knowledge to do that I suggest you find some one from outside to help you with it. Sales people from different manufacturers can be knowledgeable however you have to remember that they are selling a certain product which may or may not be exactly what you are looking for. Come up with a performance spec first then when you have picked your manufacturer you can tweak the spec if needed.

If you want to send me an e-mail with any other questions you may have feel free to do so. My department has been running a Quint since 1991.

[Taz288]

My Dept recently placed this Pierce Dash 75' HAL into service. This is essentially our first aerial. We had a used Mack/Scope they bought for evaluation purposes, and didnt want to spend the $$ when they found a crack in the 2nd fly of the boom.

It has the following:
(1) 24' extension Ladder
(1) 35' extension Ladder
(2) 16' Roof Ladders
(2) 10' Attic(scissor) Ladders
(1) Little Giant Ladder
(5) 6' Halligan Hooks
(2) 8' Halligan Hooks
(2) 10' Halligan Hooks
(1) 6' Pike Pole

Tank and Pump Size (2000 GPM Single Stage, 500 Gallons)
2 trashlines of 100' each (there are 2 troughs)
(2) 210' of 1 3/4" preconnect crosslay
600' of 2 1/2" deadbed crosslay
300' of 2 1/2" reduced to 300' of 1 3/4" deadbed crosslay

The only thing that isnt on this truck is the hurst tool, it is on our rescue pumper, which also has a full compliment of truck tools and air bags as well

[FireRescue43]

You've gotten some very good advice so far. My departments first aerial device just went into service last year. Never having owned an aerial we did allot of homework. One thing that was especially helpful was getting demo units to come in, straight ladders, platforms, diffrent lenghts, etc. We just didn't just set these up at the station, we took them out in the community and set them up at our larger structures. We used this data to help come up with our specifications. In the end we purchased a 75' aluminum ladder quint, with a 520 hp detroit, 1500 gpm pump, 460 gallon water, 40 gallons foam and CAFS. In the end the unit is well suited for current and future needs of our community, but it took over two years of homework to make sure.

[STATION2]

What is the tip load of the rig pictured? 500lbs dry?

Thanks.

[FireRescue43]

Pierces 75' HAL ladder has a 750 pound dry tip load, 500 pound wet.

[NewJerseyFFII]

My Dept recently placed this Pierce Dash 75' HAL into service. This is essentially our first aerial. We had a used Mack/Scope they bought for evaluation purposes, and didnt want to spend the $$ when they found a crack in the 2nd fly of the boom.

It has the following:
(1) 24' extension Ladder
(1) 35' extension Ladder
(2) 16' Roof Ladders
(2) 10' Attic(scissor) Ladders
(1) Little Giant Ladder
(5) 6' Halligan Hooks
(2) 8' Halligan Hooks
(2) 10' Halligan Hooks
(1) 6' Pike Pole

Tank and Pump Size (2000 GPM Single Stage, 500 Gallons)
2 trashlines of 100' each (there are 2 troughs)
(2) 210' of 1 3/4" preconnect crosslay
600' of 2 1/2" deadbed crosslay
300' of 2 1/2" reduced to 300' of 1 3/4" deadbed crosslay

The only thing that isnt on this truck is the hurst tool, it is on our rescue pumper, which also has a full compliment of truck tools and air bags as well

That is one very nice looking quint 75' HAL, I had seen a demo unit last year built with a Pierce Arrow XT chassis at Fire & saftey Services that sold for $ 569,000 with about 6000 miles on her !...

[nadeau526]

Ferrera has a demo 77' Quint for $519,900.00

Ferrara Inferno Chassis w/8" Notched Raised Roof
• Detroit 500 HP Engine
• Allison EVS4000 Transmission
• Hale QMAX 2000 GPM Pump
• 500 Gallon Poly Tank
• Heavy Duty Extruded Aluminum Body
• EZ Stack Hose Load
• Whelen LED Lighting Package
• Ferrara Red

[Catch22]

One option I like on our quints that you might consider is pump panel controls for the aerial. If you're limited on manpower for whatever reason and need the stick in the air, the engineer can control the stick from the pump panel, instead of having to find someone to climb to the platform. Our panels are pretty limited and used primarily when we're defensive.

Ours are Rosenbauers on HME chassis. I don't care for the chassis as we've had all three (2 '00 and 1 '05) break suspension springs, among other issues.

[osh599]

Our department purchased a 75' telesqurt on an American LaFrance chassis back in 2003. We are a part-paid department with limited daytime personnel. The quick setup of this truck was a key in the purchase.

The weight ratings are equivalent to that of 75' ladders with 500lbs dry under 45 degrees and 750lbs over 45 degrees.

The truck was designed as a pumper with the aerial being the secondary device. Some of the particulars are listed below.

500 gallon tank
1500 pump
1000' 5" hose
600' 3" hose
400' 2 1/2"
400' 1 3/4"
10 airpacks
10 spare cylinders
12000 lb front winch
auto tire chains
28' extension ladder
14' roof ladder
10' attic ladder

Detroit Diesel 435 hp electronic engine
Allison EVS4000 5 speed transmission

Bottom line on quints depends on the needs of your department.

http://www.americanlafrance.com/inte...=21&nd=1&x=380

[NewJerseyFFII]

Our department purchased a 75' telesqurt on an American LaFrance chassis back in 2003. We are a part-paid department with limited daytime personnel. The quick setup of this truck was a key in the purchase.

The weight ratings are equivalent to that of 75' ladders with 500lbs dry under 45 degrees and 750lbs over 45 degrees.

The truck was designed as a pumper with the aerial being the secondary device. Some of the particulars are listed below.

500 gallon tank
1500 pump
1000' 5" hose
600' 3" hose
400' 2 1/2"
400' 1 3/4"
10 airpacks
10 spare cylinders
12000 lb front winch
auto tire chains
28' extension ladder
14' roof ladder
10' attic ladder

Detroit Diesel 435 hp electronic engine
Allison EVS4000 5 speed transmission

Bottom line on quints depends on the needs of your department.

http://www.americanlafrance.com/inte...=21&nd=1&x=380

Has your department ever used the ladder on the squirt for " RESCUE " or only master stream ?

[nadeau526]

Taz288 do you have the spec's for that truck! Please send me a email mrnadeau@snet.net Thanks!!!

[osh599]

NewJerseyFFII

We have used the ladder once to make entry into an apartment which was on the 5th floor. We went in thru the balcony since our patient was lying up against the entry door. We have used the aerial as a master stream once at a residential fire.

For the most part we use the ladder for faster egress to roofs of our commercial buildings.

Since we are a part-paid department, we purchased this truck for a faster way to deploy an aerial device with minimum personnel. Daytime responses usually only bring out about a dozen or less personnel from our department with initial aid departments bringing additional staffing.

So to answer your question as to do we use this for only rescues or as a master stream....It would depend on the type of incident for which we are responding to. We like to think outside of the box whenever possible with our two aerial devices.

We have a 85' Snorkel quint that is our primary aerial device but we all know the limitations that this truck presents. Having the 75' telesqurt gives us another option plus the telesqurt responds first out on all fires from a staffed house. Where the snorkel is second out and requires the response of other drivers to the firehouse to get the truck.

I would say that about 85% of our alarms are for EMS with the remaining 15% being fires, fire alarms, PI's, nuisance fires and hazmat.

Hope this somewhat answers your question.

[mduran]

Our department has on order a KME 75' tandem axle with 650 gallons water, 2000 gpm pump, 30 gallons foam and upgraded foam system capable of flowing 1500 gpm 1% foam, less flow with 3-6% foam. It has 525 CAT engine and all wheel disc brakes. It is also fully ISO ready. [COLOR="Black"]If you want to keep brakes on your truck get tandem axles. It doesn't matter what brand you buy if everyone will be honest they can't keep brakes on the single axle trucks.[/COLOR] To much weight to stop for single axles.

[NewJerseyFFII]

Our department has on order a KME 75' tandem axle with 650 gallons water, 2000 gpm pump, 30 gallons foam and upgraded foam system capable of flowing 1500 gpm 1% foam, less flow with 3-6% foam. It has 525 CAT engine and all wheel disc brakes. It is also fully ISO ready. [COLOR="Black"]If you want to keep brakes on your truck get tandem axles. It doesn't matter what brand you buy if everyone will be honest they can't keep brakes on the single axle trucks.[/COLOR] To much weight to stop for single axles.

We have a 2005 Kme Excel Extreme pumper that has been very good to us so far. What was the cost of your new KME 75' quint ?

[oledriver]

Does that Pierce have the 33500#rear axle, if so what is your top speed? Is that a 230 wheelbase?
Nice looking Truck!

[bvhc1ff49]

You've gotten some very good advice so far. My departments first aerial device just went into service last year. Never having owned an aerial we did allot of homework. One thing that was especially helpful was getting demo units to come in, straight ladders, platforms, diffrent lenghts, etc. We just didn't just set these up at the station, we took them out in the community and set them up at our larger structures. We used this data to help come up with our specifications. In the end we purchased a 75' aluminum ladder quint, with a 520 hp detroit, 1500 gpm pump, 460 gallon water, 40 gallons foam and CAFS. In the end the unit is well suited for current and future needs of our community, but it took over two years of homework to make sure.

Very good advice here. Make sure you bring in lots of demos!!! We looked at everything. Looked for two years. It proved to be very helpful. Limit it down to a couple you really like, then compare apples to apples.

We are in rural PA. Our quint works great! Its an e-one HP75. Havn't had nay trouble with it. We cover a borough about 1sq mile and a township of 30sq mile. Population of about 6000. It is first out on all structural calls. We have 1000' of 5". 2000 GPM pump, 500 water. Also it is set up with 21' of hard suction. That gives enough to draft from a porta-tank right at the front bumper in our non-hydrant areas with a tanker shuttle.

Basicly...and im sure yo know....buy what you need, and what you will use the most. Take these demos out and use em in the district. And make sure the thing isnt too big to get around you area without too much difficulty. That is how accidents happen.