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    To graduate (in Florida) the recruit MUST me proficient in rasing the 24 ft ground ladder solo, WITHOUT touching the building AT ALL.
    Dont argue with me, I had to do it
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    That's right BLSboy.

    In the FFII practicals in the Great State of Florida, one must be able to safely and effectively raise a 24' extension ladder by yourself.

    1) Carry the ladder, fly section against the body, to the building.
    2) Stop 6" from the building, place the ladder flat on the ground.
    3) Go to the tip, place hand on rung, push the ladder into the building, lift and walk the ladder vertical with fly section against the building.
    4) Bring the butt out 6" from the building.
    5) Bring the tip away from the building and balance the beam against your leg and thigh (prevents the fly section from hanging up on building materials).
    6) Raise the fly to the desired height (at any time a safety issue arises the recruit can push the ladder back into the building).
    7) Push tip into building and rotate the ladder into position.
    8) Pull the butt out to the desired climbing angle.
    Sounds very similar to what's done in Florida. There are some things that are different though. It's an extremely methodical evolution that must be completed almost flawlessly in 2.5 minutes if I remember correctly. There are a few things that will make you fail very quickly like not checking for overhead obstructions before raising, losing control of the ladder, or not keeping contact with it at all times. This must be done after your airpack evolution and hose drag to make sure you are nice and tired.
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    2.5 min, automatic failures are, (from what I can remember)
    Over the time
    Loss of control of the ladder
    Not Keeping 3 points of contact with the ladder at all times (1 warning)
    Not checking for obstructions (overhead and ground)

    And this is after putting on your airpack in a certain amount of time ( a REAL piece of cake), and the Minuteman load drill (a real BIG piece of cake)
    We had to shout out the commands out loud, so our evaluator could hear them....standing 50 feet away after he removed his hearing aid!
    Its no joke to become a career FF in Fla!


    Ill see if I can find the directions for this evolution.
    I know I had them on my desktop on Fla, but Im on a laptop in Jersey, so the do me no good there!
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    2.5 min, automatic failures are, (from what I can remember)
    Over the time
    Loss of control of the ladder
    Not Keeping 3 points of contact with the ladder at all times (1 warning)
    Not checking for obstructions (overhead and ground)
    And less then a 70% scoring on it for minor infractions (knot wrong, not raised 9 rungs, not shouting out commands loud enough, etc)

    And this is after putting on your airpack in a certain amount of time ( a REAL piece of cake), and the Minuteman load drill (a real BIG piece of cake)
    We had to shout out the commands out loud, so our evaluator could hear them....standing 50 feet away after he removed his hearing aid!
    Its no joke to become a career FF in Fla!


    Ill see if I can find the directions for this evolution.
    I know I had them on my desktop on Fla, but Im on a laptop in Jersey, so the do me no good there!
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    Thanks for all the responses and help. Great info.
    As far as FL is concerned, but I think you can use the bldg to raise the ladder upright, then have to move it away from the bldg for the extension raise portion. Yes or no??

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    you can use the building to RAISE the ladder itself, NOT the fly section, eg; place ladder down, check for overhead obstacles, butt ladder on building, raise to 90 degrees, then pull away from building, before extending it
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    24' extension ladder raise is taught as a single person evolution here in Portland. All the recruits must meet a time standard. SCBA, hydrant-single and double header, 24' ext. ladder are all basic personal skills at the beginning of your academy. All members perform these personal skills for time at company evaluations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NonSurfinCaFF View Post
    Sounds like you are descibing the technique I was taught, the ladder is raised free standing then lowered into the building.

    The knee holds it away from the body while the foot "hooks" the foot to keep it from skidding away from you. The 3rd point of contact is the halyard and the forearms, the halyard can be used to pull the ladder towards you and the ofrearms push it away. Kind of hard to describe but its actually pretty easy to do and is much safer and controlled than it sounds.
    All of our folks are also required to raise the 24 footer by themselves, without footing against the building. Seems to be a mostly west coast thing from the comments I'm seeing above. The key is getting the butt firmly tucked into the arch of your foot and the knee of the same leg on the rail of the ladder. Keep your weight low. Push the ladder away from you maybe five degrees with your knee to counter the back force of your pull on the halyard. Note that the fly will be towards the building and counter to IFSTA specs. Some raise the ladder and flip it to be "more correct".

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    EngineCo16- I'm curious as to why you think Seattle's method is incorrect? Could you please direct me to the page in SFD's basic skills manual that you are referencing.

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    Hey man if you haven't found the correct info on this yet I suggest you listen. If you are trying to get certification in FL it is very inportant that you know all about "The Big 3". This includes donning your SCBA and checking it out, doing the minute man load deploy and the one man 24' extension ladder carry and raise. These are the biggest parts of the test and this is where you will fail if you don't know what you are doing. I suggest that you get with an instructor from one of the many fire academies in the state and get all of the steps before you even start to practice.

    The one man ladder raise is very detailed. You must call out all commands as you do them. You must raise the ladder a certain way and you must raise it alone without touching the building as you extend the fly. There are certain things allowed and certain auto fails. So far none of the posts on here have told you the correct "State Way" to do it. I won't try because I can't remember it step by step.

    Good luck buddy, it's not that hard if you know what you are doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RidinBackwards View Post
    Hey man if you haven't found the correct info on this yet I suggest you listen. If you are trying to get certification in FL it is very inportant that you know all about "The Big 3". This includes donning your SCBA and checking it out, doing the minute man load deploy and the one man 24' extension ladder carry and raise. These are the biggest parts of the test and this is where you will fail if you don't know what you are doing. I suggest that you get with an instructor from one of the many fire academies in the state and get all of the steps before you even start to practice.

    The one man ladder raise is very detailed. You must call out all commands as you do them. You must raise the ladder a certain way and you must raise it alone without touching the building as you extend the fly. There are certain things allowed and certain auto fails. So far none of the posts on here have told you the correct "State Way" to do it. I won't try because I can't remember it step by step.

    Good luck buddy, it's not that hard if you know what you are doing.
    According to their profile, the original poster is in Nevada, I doubt they are that concerned with doing it the Florida way.

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    Lets see if I can remember it....
    me....SIR, THIS RECRUIT REQUESTS PERMISSION TO CHECK OVER MY LADDER, SIR!?
    State dude...Permission granted
    (this is where you try to catch your breath after the minuteman)

    SIR, THIS RECRUIT IS NOW READY TO BEGIN!

    Test starts when you first touch the equiptment

    PREPARING TO BEAM LADDER, BEAMING LADDER
    PREPARING TO CARRY LADDER, CARRYING LADDER
    NO GROUND OBSTRUCTIONS, NO OVERHEAD OBSTRUCTIONS, LADDER COMING
    LADDER LEFT, LADDER COMING
    LADDER RIGHT, LADDER COMING
    NO GROUND OBSTRUCTIONS, NO OVERHEAD OBSTRUCTIONS, LADDER COMING
    PREPARING TO STOP, STOPPING
    PREPARING TO LOWER LADDER, LOWERING LADDER
    PREPARING TO BED LADDER, BEDDING LADDER
    PREPARING TO RAISE LADDER, RAISING LADDER
    now you raise, and extend ladder, set to proper climbing angle, tie your clove hitch, stand behind ladder as to butt ladder and state
    SIR, LADDER AT PROPER CLIMBING ANGLE, HALYARD SECURED, BUTTED, AND READY TO CLIMB!
    Do NOT let go until the to safetys have taken the ladder from you

    Any of my Fla Brothers care to make any changes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jl View Post
    Thanks for all the responses and help. Great info.
    As far as FL is concerned, but I think you can use the bldg to raise the ladder upright, then have to move it away from the bldg for the extension raise portion. Yes or no??
    Excuse me nonsurfin, this post must have thrown me off as to where he was testing.

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    Here in Alaska I had to be able to perform this skill to get hired. Throwing a 24ft ext ladder is a basic FF1 skill. You should not however bring it down by yourself. If the fire is over you got lots of help. We do it just like the guy from Canada does it. It is IFSTA aproved! Not hard to learn unless your weak!

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    "Wires, Obstructions, Other Firefighters!"

    In Montgomery Co. (MD), similar deal, throwing a 24 or 28 (I don't remember) by yourself and a 35 with others, in the academy (same FF training for career and volunteers, except vollies don't get yelled at quite as much as the recruits).

    We also had to do the 45' (can't remember its name either) with the "tormentor poles", but that was a six-person evolution. I've only met one or two FFs who ever recall using the heavy sumb**ch for real.

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    Was NV, now trying for FL. Anyways...
    Tested today. Luckily for me, there were some cool folks hanging about the bldgs yesterady evening and gave me a quick runthru. Yes, lots of commands and has to be done a certain way. But I actually think I did it OK, for the first (and only time) doing it solo.
    Thanks for everyones input, it actually helped me a great deal.

    Now let me see if I have anymore questions....

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    In my academy (Southern-California) we had to throw a 16(beam/flat raise) and a 24 extension (beam/flat raise) single person. 28 was a 2 person(beam/flat raise) 35 (flat raise) was a 3 person and the bangor ladder which was 45 i believe was a 6 person raise. all of our ladder raises except for the 16 flat raise were put up away from the building to allow the ladders to live longer and not be abused becuase of the building material.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason6368 View Post
    all of our ladder raises except for the 16 flat raise were put up away from the building to allow the ladders to live longer and not be abused becuase of the building material.
    Jason,

    I'm not sure I read this right-your academy does not train to actually use ladders over 16' on a building?
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    We recently worked on the one person ladder raise. It is not something that is taught in our drill school and as far as I knew, was not an approved method, but, in a pinch, it's good to be able to know how to do it. We used the building to butt the ladder to raise it, pulled it out a couple of inches and then extended the ladder. It's not ideal, but like I said, in a pinch, it's better than no ladder at all.

    sts060, we have those ladders with the tormentor poles as well. They're bangor ladders (although I have my own name for them), they can be put up with 4 people if needed, but it can be a rough go, especially in a hurry. Ours are 50 feet and I believe there is a 60 foot hanging around somewhere. I've never seen one use outside of drill school, but if they're ever taken off the truck that's when someone will say, "We could have used a bangor here."

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    I have a 40' extension ladder that I raise all the time by myself around the house. What is the big deal?
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    Originally Posted by Jason6368
    all of our ladder raises except for the 16 flat raise were put up away from the building to allow the ladders to live longer and not be abused becuase of the building material.

    What kind of "building material" do they use by you that eats ladders??

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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    I have a 40' extension ladder that I raise all the time by myself around the house. What is the big deal?
    Quite possibly the quality of the ladder? It's not likely that the ladders on the trucks are the same as the lightweight ladders you can buy at Home Depot. You can put up a 40 footer alone, eh? How about grabbing a bangor (40 footer) and send us the video. lol...

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    kenNFD, no, the 16 butt is pushed against the bottom of the building and "walked" up against the building.

    len, i might be reading some peoples post all wrong but it seems to me that a ladder is extended with it against the wall, with the tip being pushed up the wall. We wouldnt do that becuase the concrete will act as a file against the aluminum beams. Our ladders have to last quite a few academy's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Higby916 View Post
    You can put up a 40 footer alone, eh? How about grabbing a bangor (40 footer) and send us the video. lol...
    You have to understand; if HT was actually any kind of firefighter he'd know that a 40' fire service ladder is both considerably heavier and longer than a 40' homeowner/contractor ladder. You shouldn't hold his ignorance against him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    You have to understand; if HT was actually any kind of firefighter he'd know that a 40' fire service ladder is both considerably heavier and longer than a 40' homeowner/contractor ladder. You shouldn't hold his ignorance against him.
    LOL... I'm beginning to see this! I would still like to see a vid of him putting up a 40 foot service ladder on his own!!! That would be a good one!

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