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    Thumbs down Opinions on Bush's cuts?

    IMO this term couldn't end sooner. This guy cuts like a Republican, and spends like a lib. The worst of both worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furlofmalta View Post
    IMO this term couldn't end sooner. This guy cuts like a Republican, and spends like a lib. The worst of both worlds.
    So have you done anything? Like call or e-mail your representatives or the President? I did.

    Here is what I sent to my congress person and with a few modifications to one of my senators.

    Once again the President's Budget has proposed cuts to the Assistance to
    Firefighters Grant Program (FIRE Act) and SAFER programs that directly
    benefit fire departments across the nation.

    Can you please explain to me why it is that firefighters are tasked with
    more and more responsibilities every year by both local and federal
    agencies yet the money to do these tasks, as well as the very money needed
    to survive for some of the fire departments, is seen as such a low
    priority to some in government?

    Both of the fire departments I am on, the XXXXXX Bureau of Fire (a
    volunteer fire department in your district and where I live) and the
    XXXXXXX Fire Department (a suburb of Milwaukee where I work as a full
    time firefighter) have benefited from the FIRE Act grant programs. As
    have dozens of other fire departments both large and small in Wisconsin.

    The facts are simple, fire departments nation wide are understaffed and
    under funded and are expected over and over to do more with less. At what
    point do we realize that this is a fools game? Why is it that the police
    agencies have virtual cart blanche to federal money and the fire service
    is treated like a step child to be fed crumbs?

    You have been here to XXXXXX. You have seen the good that this program
    has done. In this day and age this program needs to get larger and fund
    more departments instead of smaller and hurting those departments that
    have to wait until next year or the year after to get essential equipment
    to help them serve their communities.

    Please help your fellow members of Congress understand the importance of
    this program and boost its funding to a respectable level. At least back to
    the the highs it had of year's past.

    Thank you for your continued support of the fire service. It is
    appreciated and a topic I am sure to mention to my fellow firefighters at
    every opportunity
    And here is what I sent to the President.

    President George Bush,

    I am writing to you to request you fund the FIRE ACT Grant prgram (AFG) and the SAFER program to at least the level that it has been in years past. The fire service of the United States is underfunded and understaffed in much of this country and when you add that to the growing list of responsibilities and mandates added every year it has become a task of Herculean size for some to deal with.

    My small volunteer fire department in XXXXXXXX has benefitted from the FIRE Act Grant Program twice and I know personally of virtually dozens of other fire departments that have been able to better serve their communities due to the grants they have been awarded.

    Mr President I ask that you revisit this issue and please talk to firefighters across this great nation of ours to get the real perspective of who we are and what we really need to serve our citizens. Mostly what we need is support and not the hollow supprt of words that sing our praises after my Brothers and Sisters perform miracles, but the support that puts needed manpower and equipment at our disposal.

    Thank you Mr President,
    Not saying these will have any effect but at least I did what I can do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    So have you done anything? Like call or e-mail your representatives or the President? I did.

    Here is what I sent to my congress person and with a few modifications to one of my senators.



    And here is what I sent to the President.



    Not saying these will have any effect but at least I did what I can do.

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    No I have not. Point well taken. I will write my representative and like you at least I will have "done what I can do."

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    Good for you. Sorry if it came off like I was getting in your face. I didn't mean it that way. I can tell you that our congress person and one of our senators are very receptive to comments and both are very supportive of the fire service. Both are supporters of the FIRE Act Grant program and both have written letters of support for our grant applications.

    I think we all need to let the governement know what we are thinking on certain topics.

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    IMO would I turn down a grant? NO. But I don't think its the feds job to support local FD's. Thats the local tax payers jobs. I am willing to let cuts in grants go so that money can be spent on other more needy things like Troops (whom are finaly getting a slight raise) and War funding at this present time. I just think priorities are to be taken care of first.
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    What's wrong with cutting the budget?The government is supposed to only tax the citizenry enough to pay for the country's true needs,not pay people not to work or to air comments from people that hate their country and not allow any rebuttal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    What's wrong with cutting the budget?The government is supposed to only tax the citizenry enough to pay for the country's true needs,not pay people not to work or to air comments from people that hate their country and not allow any rebuttal.
    "Cutting the budget?"
    This is still the largest budget in US history even accounting for inflation. Our troops are still making a measly 15k a year to be in places like Al Anbar, while companies like KBR are collecting absurd amounts of tax payer money for a job (supporting our troops) poorly done so that they can drive escalades through the streets of Baghdad and make 150k a year to do a horrible job washing our troops' laundry.
    Is that really necessary.
    I'm sorry if I offend anyone but I do not see how cutting infrastracture at home and increasing it abroad is accomplishing anything even remotely productive towards a better future for this country.

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    BFDNJFF: IMO would I turn down a grant? NO. But I don't think its the feds job to support local FD's. Thats the local tax payers jobs. I am willing to let cuts in grants go so that money can be spent on other more needy things like Troops (whom are finaly getting a slight raise) and War funding at this present time. I just think priorities are to be taken care of first.
    Okay, can you see the hypocrisy in your post here?

    First you say you wouldn't turn down a grant then you proceed to rant on about how it is not the feds job to fund local FD's. So which one is it? If you so strongly believe that the feds shouldn't be funding your FD why did you apply for the grant in the first place?

    I am all for paying the troops more. But not at the expense of losing the AFG program. The fire service has long been the red headed bastard step child of funding in this country and it is about time we step up and say NO MORE! At its highest funding level we were still not receivng 1/5th of the money going to police agencies in this country. Yet year after year we are asked and then mandated to do more and more with less resources, less money and less staff. Why do we think we don't deserve to be adequately funded? Honestly I don't care where the money comes from to fund my FD. Federal, state, county or local as long as we have what we truly need to operate safely. Hell, if I thought I could get away with it I would open a strip bar with a Las Vegas style casino and more to fund my local FD.

    This grant program is needed and in some places it is the very life blood of some small rural FDs. Open your eyes and look outside your corner of the world. Not everyone comes close to having enough money to operate and some places are using equipment your FD would have tossed decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    What's wrong with cutting the budget?The government is supposed to only tax the citizenry enough to pay for the country's true needs,not pay people not to work or to air comments from people that hate their country and not allow any rebuttal.
    There is some truth to what you posted here. I am for cutting the federal budget too. BUT, and listen closely now, not at the expense of the fire service. Every year the fire service is on the chopping block. Every year the AFG and the Fire Academy are on that chopping block. I say it is time we stand up and say NO MORE!!

    They cut the fire service yet leave crap in like useless studies and useless pork belly projects like bridges to no where. We never seem to hear outrage by the police of this country that the feds are cutting their piece of the pie. Wonder why? I don't, they aren't getting cut. We are the true first responders. We have and will continue to pick up the pieces after fires, natural disasters and terrorists acts. We have mandates shoved down our throats year after year and yet we roll over and play dead when they cut funding...Maybe it is just like that old saying goes "We have met the enemy and he is us." If we don't rise up and say no more for ourselves, who will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by furlofmalta View Post
    "Cutting the budget?"
    This is still the largest budget in US history even accounting for inflation. Our troops are still making a measly 15k a year to be in places like Al Anbar, while companies like KBR are collecting absurd amounts of tax payer money for a job (supporting our troops) poorly done so that they can drive escalades through the streets of Baghdad and make 150k a year to do a horrible job washing our troops' laundry.
    Is that really necessary.
    I'm sorry if I offend anyone but I do not see how cutting infrastracture at home and increasing it abroad is accomplishing anything even remotely productive towards a better future for this country.
    I couldn't agree more.

    I have the solution for the out right theft committed by these contractors. Time to charge them with TREASON. They are hurting our country as surely as the enemey is by weakening our ability to fund the war effort by stealing funding that is not due to them. Maybe after a few of the heads of these corporate leaders faced a long prison term or even execution for treason their greed may be tempered a bit. Harsh? Absolutely, but no harsher than realizing what they are doing is essentially aiding the enemy.

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    I don't believe that federal funding should pay for any local services like police or fire.There would be too much temptation to have national standards or laws that ALL cities had to enact or risk losing funding,for example.
    If you're fed up like I am about pork barrel projects,write your congresscritters and let them know what you want.
    It doesn't have to be pages and pages of graphs and stats.Just write,"I don't want any further funding cuts for fire departments....."with a short reason why.
    The congresscritter's staff just read enough of the letter to see what the subject is and how the voter stands on it and then makes a mark on a tally sheet to let the representative know what issues are big and how the folks back home feel about them.
    Like you said,"If we don't rise up and say no more,who will?".Anyone who doesn't at least know HOW to contact their congresscritters probably shouldn't bother voting in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    There is some truth to what you posted here. I am for cutting the federal budget too. BUT, and listen closely now, not at the expense of the fire service. Every year the fire service is on the chopping block. Every year the AFG and the Fire Academy are on that chopping block. I say it is time we stand up and say NO MORE!!

    They cut the fire service yet leave crap in like useless studies and useless pork belly projects like bridges to no where. We never seem to hear outrage by the police of this country that the feds are cutting their piece of the pie.

    Maybe it is just like that old saying goes "We have met the enemy and he is us." If we don't rise up and say no more for ourselves, who will?

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    Okay, can you see the hypocrisy in your post here?
    No , I am not the one who applies for grants. I may not agree in it but would you turn down free money? If it were gone I would not cry over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    There is some truth to what you posted here. I am for cutting the federal budget too. BUT, and listen closely now, not at the expense of the fire service. Every year the fire service is on the chopping block. Every year the AFG and the Fire Academy are on that chopping block. I say it is time we stand up and say NO MORE!!

    They cut the fire service yet leave crap in like useless studies and useless pork belly projects like bridges to no where. We never seem to hear outrage by the police of this country that the feds are cutting their piece of the pie. Wonder why? I don't, they aren't getting cut. We are the true first responders. We have and will continue to pick up the pieces after fires, natural disasters and terrorists acts. We have mandates shoved down our throats year after year and yet we roll over and play dead when they cut funding...Maybe it is just like that old saying goes "We have met the enemy and he is us." If we don't rise up and say no more for ourselves, who will?

    FyredUp

    So to make up for the lack of political will on the local level to raise taxes to pay for fundamental local services, you want the Feds to pay for it.

    How wonderful. I don't give a damn how much the police get. The Feds should not be giving a dime to them either so don't p!ss and moan about they get more than the fire service. I don't give a damn.

    You want a fire truck? Then you need to push for it at the local level and substantiate it to your citizenry. If your elected officials will not do what is necessary you need to puch for it as best you can.

    Going to the tit of federal government to suck the money out of the trough is not the answer. Don't say you want to suck at the tit of government for this and then decry how much the beaurocracy of government is hindering our nation and how we have all of these programs that are unnecessary.


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    furtlofmalta, the issue here is not troop pay. It's the other war expenses that you cite yourself that are the problem. If we weren't blowing so much money on "Vietnam in the Sand", those troops could probably be paid more and we'd still see FIRE, SAFER, and the others better funded.

    Somebody help me...How many days of ops, excluding the troop salaries that would be paid they were stateside, would cost enough to fully fund the $1B authorized for FIRE? Not too &#$% many, I bet.

    We are in over our heads in Iraq and it's hurting FF's and everybody else back home. Should've put a helluva lot more into Afghanistan and finding OBL to make a real difference with al-Qaida and left Iraq--tyrant and all--alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doughesson View Post
    I don't believe that federal funding should pay for any local services like police or fire.There would be too much temptation to have national standards or laws that ALL cities had to enact or risk losing funding.
    Doughesson.....Kind of in short this is already happening. The feds like to call it NIMS and standardize everything across the country. Some things are good, I like for one common language vs. ten code. The rig numbering thing is BS though and so forth. Point being..in order to get some grants a FD has to be NIMS compliant to get it...usually.

    I read an article in one of the fire service publications saying that the feds look at the NIMS compliant depts to determine grants, yet the law enforcement side, who also has to have NIMS, still get what seems anything they ask for. In a way...NIMS is the feds making national standards or laws.

    I can't speak for other departments or agencies, but I see where Fyrdup is coming from. The fire service has to beg and plead for money, when law enforcement just says the buzz word "terrorism" and gets funding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    furtlofmalta, the issue here is not troop pay. It's the other war expenses that you cite yourself that are the problem. If we weren't blowing so much money on "Vietnam in the Sand", those troops could probably be paid more and we'd still see FIRE, SAFER, and the others better funded.

    Somebody help me...How many days of ops, excluding the troop salaries that would be paid they were stateside, would cost enough to fully fund the $1B authorized for FIRE? Not too &#$% many, I bet.

    We are in over our heads in Iraq and it's hurting FF's and everybody else back home. Should've put a helluva lot more into Afghanistan and finding OBL to make a real difference with al-Qaida and left Iraq--tyrant and all--alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EastKyFF View Post
    furtlofmalta, the issue here is not troop pay. It's the other war expenses that you cite yourself that are the problem. If we weren't blowing so much money on "Vietnam in the Sand", those troops could probably be paid more and we'd still see FIRE, SAFER, and the others better funded.

    Somebody help me...How many days of ops, excluding the troop salaries that would be paid they were stateside, would cost enough to fully fund the $1B authorized for FIRE? Not too &#$% many, I bet.

    We are in over our heads in Iraq and it's hurting FF's and everybody else back home. Should've put a helluva lot more into Afghanistan and finding OBL to make a real difference with al-Qaida and left Iraq--tyrant and all--alone.

    Yes dammit! I want all that federal money to take care of local issues.

    BULL! It is still not the federal government's responsibility to buy your firetruck or your bunker gear or your radios because your elected local political officials have VOLUNTARILY DECIDED NOT to raise local taxes to pay for local needs.

    My wallet aches from payin for your needs in Kentucky while I live in North Carolina and have local needs here to pay for. Socialism will bankrupt this nation further, so beware what you wish for.
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    DaSharkie...

    We have debated this topic before and frankly there is no point discussing this with you because you are simply closed minded.

    Until you stand up at your local city council and tell them noit to accept one cent of federal money for anything. AND I mean ANYTHING...you are a hypocrit. Your city uses federal money for more than you coud ever imagine, do some research before you spout such ridiculous things such as YOUR taxes are funding Tennesee. Well, mine probably funded your city's last sewer and water project or the highway project that leads nearby your city, or subsidizes the bus line or the trains or hundreds of other things you take for granted everyday.

    By the way thank you for the roughly 2 or 3 cents or so of your federal taxes that funded our new rescue pumper. We do appreciate it and the fact that you are so opposed to this program is actually good for me because it makes for one less fire department we have to compete against every year.

    By the way I take it you are not one of the compassionate conservatives I hear so much about.

    Have a nice day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp
    Well, mine probably funded your city's last sewer and water project or the highway project that leads nearby your city, or subsidizes the bus line or the trains or hundreds of other things you take for granted everyday.
    For what it's worth, I KNOW for a fact you are paying for my sewers, and my roads, and my zoo, and let's not forget the deep tunnel project. (I know Sharkie is contributing to that boondoggle)
    Thank you!! We could never waste that money without your support!
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    I think they're great. Especially these ones.

    Plenty of money to pay mercenaries and Halliburton's numerous overcharges, but minimal monies to care for the troops coming home wounded or maimed.

    Oh well. Like Rep. Rohrbacher (R-CA) stated, "they volunteered."
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    Socialism will bankrupt this nation further, so beware what you wish for.
    Imperialism and the excessive military spending that goes with it will be what bankrupts the United States...not social spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    DaSharkie...

    We have debated this topic before and frankly there is no point discussing this with you because you are simply closed minded.

    Until you stand up at your local city council and tell them noit to accept one cent of federal money for anything. AND I mean ANYTHING...you are a hypocrit. Your city uses federal money for more than you coud ever imagine, do some research before you spout such ridiculous things such as YOUR taxes are funding Tennesee. Well, mine probably funded your city's last sewer and water project or the highway project that leads nearby your city, or subsidizes the bus line or the trains or hundreds of other things you take for granted everyday.

    By the way thank you for the roughly 2 or 3 cents or so of your federal taxes that funded our new rescue pumper. We do appreciate it and the fact that you are so opposed to this program is actually good for me because it makes for one less fire department we have to compete against every year.

    By the way I take it you are not one of the compassionate conservatives I hear so much about.

    Have a nice day.

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    Call me close minded, I don't give a damn. You want a new pumper? You get yout city to pay for it, not a grant from the Feds to do it. Fire service and law enforcement, and educational funding are local funding responsibilites. I do not think that communities need to suck at the trough to get a fire truck, fire station, police officers, school books, or a new high school. The same goes for funding a city's sewer system or whatever. It is not a federal government responsibility.

    These programs stem from a collective, voluntary will for a group of politicians to stay in office at the local level by vowing to not raise local taxes for local responsibilities knowing full well that the burden will be passed right up the line to the higher taxation and deeper pockets of the federal government. A lack of political will on the part of your local politicians to do what is right does not make it a federal need or responsibility.

    Your 2 or 3 cents added with Nozz's, and FDNYs, and LAFD, and Sacramento, and Boston, and Albany, and Raleigh, and Pensacola, adds up. You can minimize the point by saying it is only 2 or 3 cents, but it adds up - very quickly.

    Funding of highway projects is a different issue. This is a necessity for national commerce, disaster relief and evacuation, and were built under the auspices of the latter in the 1950s as I have stated multiple times. There are limits to this however. The "Big Dig" in Boston is a wasteful and ultimately unnecessary mostly federally funded highway project that benefits no one but the residents of the City of Boston and its northern/southern suburbs and workers.

    I take nothing for granted. I understand that federal money pays for an infinite number of things at my local level - but that does not make it right now does it? All I say is that the tax structure of our nation ought to be totally inverted with the largest portion of our tax dollars going to the local levels and the federal government getting the least amount of money of anyone. It will never happen, but that is how it really ought to be.

    And I am not a compassionat conservative. Never claimed to be - so you can take your not-so-subtle personal dig and stuff it. I have conservative views, and I have compassion for my fellow man, but to have put the two terms together is ridiculously stupid. I just disagree with the fundamental belief that the federal government is here to cure the ills of our nation.

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