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    Default Half sheep shank knot

    I think I know the answers to these questions but I just want to be sure. What are the uses of a half sheep shank knot and does a curtain wall and a fire wall mean the same thing?

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    The half sheep shank is a knot that can be easily tightened so it is useful for setting up a physical barrier or tying off an object that you don't want to move. Vehicle on a slope/edge
    A fire wall is a rated wall with no penitrations it would extend through the roof to be a true barrier to fire spread.

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    not sure if a half sheep shank knot is the same as a regular sheep shank knot, but here it is a good site with info on the regular sheep shank knot:
    http://www.animatedknots.com/sheepshank/index.php

    the site also says this about the knot:

    Avoid Using It: The Sheepshank should never be used. It is only included here because Boy Scouts are required to learn it. Ashley described Sheepshanks (ABOK # 1152 - 1154, p 210) but cautioned that they "......should be seized or otherwise secured to make them safe unless the need is very temporary...."
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    A fire wall is a rated wall with no penitrations it would extend through the roof to be a true barrier to fire spread.
    Assuming some plumber or electrician hasnt gotten to it yet....

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    I use it to shank half of my sheep!

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    I was in the Navy for 4 years,worked on the river for 7 and I never used the sheep shank knot of any style for anything.A friend asked me about it recently and I had to dig through an old Chapman's Piloting Guide to even know what the daggum thing looked like.
    On the river,I used two knots,the half hitch and the bowline to secure barges loaded down with 1,500 tons against the Lower Mississippi's 5-8 mph current here at Memphis.Not one barge I ever tied off ever went traipsing off on its own without outside help(someone untying it or the wind breaking the lines).
    I went with what worked for me and know them blindfolded and drunk(not that I ever set foot on a towboat in less than 100% condition).

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    Use it to shorten a length of rope, just tie as many as needed. Don't use it for anything heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boost46 View Post
    I think I know the answers to these questions but I just want to be sure. What are the uses of a half sheep shank knot and does a curtain wall and a fire wall mean the same thing?
    Boost....I learned to tie a sheep shank in recruit school over twenty years ago and have never used the knot since then. I am surprised to hear that anyone even teaches it anymore.

    Firewalls are easily spotted in multi tenent commercial and multi family residential properties....they are usually masonry constructed and will allways extend above the roof line by three feet or so..a fire curtain is ussually just a barrier in the attic of a structure constructed of two peices of 5/8 or 1/2 inch sheet rock. utility contractors will generally avoid fire walls but will breech fire curtains...they are required to seal any openings they make but often do not.

    also if someone could help me find a spell check on this forum please let me know.

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    Nice animation, we do the same thing twice on one side then secure it with two half hitches. If I can take a picture or two I'll show you it. Much easier to show then describe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfd86 View Post
    Boost....I learned to tie a sheep shank in recruit school over twenty years ago and have never used the knot since then. I am surprised to hear that anyone even teaches it anymore.



    also if someone could help me find a spell check on this forum please let me know.
    Ditto! I haven't even thought about that knot in years.

    Here is a free spell checker that you can download and use for anything. http://www.iespell.com/

    It is accessible in the Internet Explorer tool bar whenever you need to use it.




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    "It is accessible in the Internet Explorer tool bar whenever you need to use it."

    Thanks Tallahassee, I need it often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfd86 View Post
    "It is accessible in the Internet Explorer tool bar whenever you need to use it."

    Thanks Tallahassee, I need it often.
    Your welcome.

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    for some odd reason my browser is checking and telling me when I have spelling errors. It started when I updated firefox1.5 to 2.0. Freaked me out a bit. But on the note of knots. because my explorer post has not told me much about knots yet. What kind of knots do you find the most useful? (so i can learn them). Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0asty View Post
    for some odd reason my browser is checking and telling me when I have spelling errors. It started when I updated firefox1.5 to 2.0. Freaked me out a bit. But on the note of knots. because my explorer post has not told me much about knots yet. What kind of knots do you find the most useful? (so i can learn them). Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnfd86 View Post
    also if someone could help me find a spell check on this forum please let me know.
    Just use the latest version of Firefox and it spell checks as you type. Funny, it didn't let me write Firefox without the capital

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    Thanks for the help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FFFRED View Post
    I use it to shank half of my sheep!

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    Does it work on all your sheep or just half your sheep?

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    True that the sheepshank shortens the line, but the true use for it that I learned in the Navy, was that it was used to relieve a weakened section of line. If you had a section of line that was weakened from abrasion or whatever, and you couldn't change out the lines, you could tie a sheepshank into the line, and the strain would be taken off the weakened section. With the sheepshank tied properly, you could actually cut the weakened section, and it would not matter.
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    It costs about ten bucks to have pockets that will hold sheep hoof's sewn onto the front of your boots; then you won't have to bother with tying a rope around them to keep them from running away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnny46 View Post
    It costs about ten bucks to have pockets that will hold sheep hoof's sewn onto the front of your boots; then you won't have to bother with tying a rope around them to keep them from running away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch13 View Post
    True that the sheepshank shortens the line, but the true use for it that I learned in the Navy, was that it was used to relieve a weakened section of line. If you had a section of line that was weakened from abrasion or whatever, and you couldn't change out the lines, you could tie a sheepshank into the line, and the strain would be taken off the weakened section. With the sheepshank tied properly, you could actually cut the weakened section, and it would not matter.
    :: WARNING ACTUAL QUESTION :: Does the line that's tied into the weakened line go back to the weakened line's anchor point or doesn't it matter?

    I was only told that you could join two lines of different diameters. FWIW: In GA this is known as a Beckett Bend.
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    thanks guys you have all been helpful now i know thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonSmithnotTMD View Post
    :: WARNING ACTUAL QUESTION :: Does the line that's tied into the weakened line go back to the weakened line's anchor point or doesn't it matter?

    I was only told that you could join two lines of different diameters. FWIW: In GA this is known as a Beckett Bend.
    We were taught that you used the same line, you just used the sheepshank to relieve the weakened section.

    The becket bend, and double becket bend were used to join two lines of different diameters.
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    The sheepshank has its uses, as stretch13 notes. I have used the knot frequently for line shortening, weak line "reinforcement", and as a tackle knot. A sheepshank "in a reef" (or "on a reef", or "with a reef") is more stable; but more difficult to tie.

    A sheepshank should not be used without enhancement under alternating load/non-load conditions (see diagram). Also, double half hitches at both ends tend to make the sheepshank more stable.

    Remember, knots are tools in a toolbox. Use the proper tool, use it correctly, and under the proper conditions. And if there is a better tool in the toolbox for the intended use; use it.
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    Sheepshank in a reef. Note the modified reef knot (square knot) formed around the center of the sheepshank.
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