Thread: Army to Fireman
02-11-2007, 07:32 PM #1
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- Feb 2007
Army to Fireman
My name is Steve and currently I am in the Army. I am deployed to Iraq for the second time in my career and as soon as I return home I will be getting out. Once I am done my goal is to become a fireman. I cant lie though, I am pretty lost as to where to start or if there is anything that I can do to make the process go faster. I am going to try and stay in Texas if that makes any difference. If anybody has any guidence or advice it would be greatly appreciated.
02-12-2007, 12:20 AM #2
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- Nov 2005
Thanks for making our world a safer place. Military men and women do extremely well in the fire service. You have a bright future ahead of you.
Here is an exerpt from my book The Aspiring Firefighter's Two Year Plan. It answers your question about a plan to getting hired.
This sample Firefighter two-year Plan was developed with input form Mike Sarjeant, a Captain on the Long Beach, California, Fire Department.
If still in high school look into a Regional Occupational Program (ROP).
Many local fire departments have community outreach recruitment programs.
Graduate from high school or obtain your GED.
A diploma is much preferred.
Talk with a counselor at a community college that offers fire science courses.
Set up a course curriculum that allows you to obtain a two-year degree in fire science. If the local college does not offer a fire science program, find one that does.
This curriculum should also allow you to complete the prerequisite courses for a fire academy.
Take an Emergency Medical Technician Course (EMT).
This will accomplish a few things. First of all, it is a course required by most departments. It will also let you know if this profession is for you. If you find you can’t handle the sight of blood or helping people during crises, the fire service may not be for you.
Enroll in a state certified fire academy.
Many departments require completion of a Firefighter 1 Academy prior to taking the entry-level exam.
Completion of a fire academy prior to being hired will greatly enhance a candidate’s chance of successfully completing the fire department’s academy. Many fire departments have a 25 – 30% failure rate.
Find out if your community has either a fire department volunteer program or Fire Explorers.
Volunteering in the fire department is an excellent way to gain real life experience. This exposure will also allow you to determine if this is indeed the right career choice for you.
Volunteer in your community.
Find something that you are interested in and volunteer your time: church, sports, hospital, YMCA, Red Cross, etc. It doesn’t matter. Get involved. Volunteering is something that should be done because it’s the right thing to do, not because it will look good on a firefighter application.
Firefighters are self-motivated and have historically been involved in their communities. The perception is that if you are helping out in your community now, you will be the type who will likely continue to stay involved after you are hired, helping out in various committees and groups both on and off the job.
Visit the local fire stations.
Interview the firefighters and elicit their help in planning your career path. It is a tremendous compliment to the firefighters to have someone aspire to be in their position. Visiting the fire stations will help you learn about the job and the culture of the fire service. In addition, you will learn of things that you could be doing to enhance your chances of getting hired. Ultimately, when the department hires, you will be in a good position since the firefighters have gotten to know you and have taken the time to mentor you. There is nothing better than a “home grown” prospect.
Prepare for a fire department interview.
Consider the reasons why you want to become a firefighter and be able to express them. Do your research and learn the rules of the road concerning the interview process. Participate in “mock” interviews with firefighters.
Start a log that includes everything you have done to prepare yourself.
Include details, dates, and names of instructors. Include any personal experiences that may be pertinent to becoming a firefighter.
A few examples of this could be:
You witnessed a car accident and were able to render aid.
You volunteered your time at the Boys and Girls club.
You experienced a life-changing event.
You were voted most inspirational on your athletic team or your fire academy.
Your high school athletic team won the championship.
You were a lifeguard at the city pool.
Anything that you think might be significant. There are no rules. Write it down!
This information will go on your resume, or may be speaking points in an interview. This is preparing you to answer difficult questions in an interview, such as, “Please share with the panel a stressful time in your life, and how you dealt with it.”
The log should just be an easy and accessible memory jogger for you. If you are comfortable with a pencil and notepad, keep them in your room in a convenient spot so you won’t forget to use them. If you are more comfortable on the computer, then use it to formulate your thoughts and ideas.
Get in shape.
Firefighting is a very physical job requiring peak physical strength and endurance. If you are not in good physical condition, it will become very evident during the physical agility testing or the pre-hire medical exam. It is also important to look as if you are physically prepared for the job.
If you see a firefighter who looks out of shape, don’t look at him and think, “If he got hired, so can I!” Odds are he was in better physical condition when he was first hired. You are trying to do everything you can to improve your chances. This is a very important part that you have complete control over!
Look the part!
The rule of thumb in an interview is to hire someone who you can see becoming a member or your crew tomorrow. A candidate who walks in with excessive facial hair, large tattoos or body piercing that is not permitted by the department’s policies presents as a candidate who is not ready for the position. Do not make the mistake of saying that you will remove them when you are ready to be hired. You are making a statement. It is important to understand that the fire department is a paramilitary organization. These will definitely not improve your chances of success.
Invest in a suit and tie. Although not required for the interview, a candidate who does not wear one stands out. First impressions are critical. Make sure the suit is conservative, not flashy.
Dress professionally whenever you will have contact with members of the department. This includes station visits. Remember, it is important to make a good first impression.
Enroll in a service that lets you know which departments are testing.
There are several businesses on the Internet that will inform you of which departments are testing and what their requirements are.
Most departments test every 2-3 years. They will then hire from the “eligibility list” until it expires. The window to file an application is usually very small, ranging from as short as 1 day to as long as 30 days. Once the filing period is closed, the department will not accept any more applications. If you don’t have a subscription to one these services, you will miss a lot of opportunities.
Talk to your family.
The decision to become a firefighter is a monumental one. It will most likely be a long road that requires a lot of time and sacrifice. If you don’t have a family or friend support network, it will become extremely difficult. Most importantly, if your spouse does not support your decision, you are destined for failure.
Surround yourself with reputable people.
A firefighter position is a life choice, not just a job. You must be prepared to live your life with excellent moral and ethical values. For this you will need the support of family and friends who are good role models. If your friends are not a positive influence in the community, you may want to find a new set of friends. Remember the old saying, “Birds of a feather flock together.” A background check will scrutinize not only you, but also the company you keep.
Learn a trade.
Woodworking, framing, electrical, plumbing, welding and automotive are all common examples of a trade. Firefighting is a very physical job that requires good psychomotor skills and a hands-on approach. Typically those who have learned a trade possess these applicable job skills. If you know how a building is constructed, you will be able to predict how a fire will travel through it. If you know where the electrical and plumbing is typically run behind the drywall, you will most likely know where it would be safe to open it up. You will also have become very comfortable with power tools. The importance of being able to work with your hands cannot be overstated.
If you don’t currently have this kind of experience, start taking classes in a trade at your community college. You will at least learn the basics. Back this up with some real life practical experience. It will be invaluable knowledge and will play out well in an interview. Mechanical aptitude cannot be learned in an Internet class or while sitting behind a computer.
Improve your public speaking skills.
If you are uncomfortable getting up in front of a group, you must take steps to overcome your fear. The largest percentage of the testing process is the interview, and ultimately a large part of the job deals with public speaking! You won’t talk a fire out, but you will talk to different groups about how to prevent them. If you can present yourself well in an interview, you are leaps and bounds ahead of the others who can’t. Even if the other candidates have more experience than you, the job will usually be awarded to the candidate who can present him or herself in a clear and concise manner.
If public speaking is your downfall, it is imperative to join Toastmasters or take some courses at your community college. A speech and debate class is an excellent way to get over the jitters. Acting or drama classes can also be an excellent way to feel more comfortable in front of a group.
Teaching others can also help you learn to think on your feet. Whether you are teaching CPR and First Aid or your local Sunday school class, it will help you learn to present information clearly and field questions.
A typical interview question might be, “What do you consider a weakness about yourself?” Your answer could be, “I used to feel uncomfortable getting up and speaking in front of a group. I knew this was a very important part of my chosen vocation. I took several classes at my community college to help improve my comfort level. Since then I feel much more confident in my ability to speak in public.”
You can have all of the best traits in the world, but if you can’t effectively convey them in an interview they will go unnoticed. Now that’s turning a negative into a positive!
Maintain a clean driving and criminal record.
It goes without saying that firefighters are held to a standard that is much higher than the average citizen. The road is littered with firefighter candidates who have failed their background check due to a poor driving or criminal record.
Maintain a good credit history.
Your credit history is a reflection of your reliability, honesty, organization and attention to detail.
Update your resume.
Make sure your resume has no technical or grammatical errors, is well organized and comprehensive. Ask reliable friends or family to proofread it.
02-12-2007, 12:42 PM #3
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While I'd recommend EMT, if I were you, I'd start out at a basic Firefighter Academy. You'll learn the job and get certification. Volunteer too, as this will get you experience on calls and station life. Focus on those first, pass em, and then get your EMT. Or if you are hired on a Firefighter, the department will usually pay for your EMT as well. Get FF experience, apply for jobs, if nothing, get your EMT. Then again it depends on your situation.
02-12-2007, 03:15 PM #4
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- Jan 2007
- Green Bay
Steve...I was in a similar situation as yourself. I got out of the service and wanted to be a FF. So from my experience your best bet is:
1. Try to get some college level courses while still in the service if you can. Prior to getting out I took several DANTES and CLEP tests for college credit. And those do transfer to schools rather nicely. (usually given on base at Army campus or similar)
2. Find a school where you want to go and get into a Fire Science degree program. Again this is where the college level courses help, because there can be some classes you don't have to take.
3. Get into a fire academy program, they are usually offered at the same school as fire protection degree...just some degree programs don't provide all the necessary certifications. (FF1, FF2 etc).
4. Get on a volunteer dept if possible, many times the dept will pay for some of your schooling, because you still need the certifications to be a volunteer. Also get your EMT as stated before. EMS is a huge part of the fire service today.
So really for the best chance of getting on...go to school. Most depts only take people that have education, sometimes not, but that would be your best bet. I was in your shoes, this is what I did and I'm loving the job today. Best of luck to you.
02-19-2007, 06:22 PM #5
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- Feb 2007
Army to Firefighter
NOTE: I hope that this did not get posted twice. If so, I apologize. When I hits "Submit" everything went blank. (I tried to refresh.)
It is very common for military people go into the fire service.
Getting in shape. Buying a suit. Etc. These things are important.
Volunteering on a department can help pay for things like EMT school. In my state volunteers get their EMT school paid for, if they are volunteers. CLEP and DANTES courses are good ideas.
While much of the information others have given you may be helpful, you need to consider something else.
Where are you from? That is to say, "Where are you going back to, once you get out?" This makes the biggest difference in how to go about getting hired.
Just about every state has a different way of doing things. And even in these states it can vary from city to city. Some states/cities have a process where you submit resumes and go through an interview process. There you have to really prove yourself against other applicants. In other states you take a written test and you are hired (or not hired) based strictly upon your score on that test. Period! The department can't skip someone who barely passed his rookie school and hire the guy who was valedictorian. Each person is considered, one at a time, and hired or not. If they are hiring four people and you are number five, you are out of luck. This is regardless of how much more qualified you may be. Certain things can disqualify you but if you pass the physical, the background test, the drug test, etc. it is your score that gets you hired. A resume or previous employment will not help. There may be an interview involved but it is just a formality. Unless you admit to something like snorting coke before the interview, you will be hired.
“Civil service cities” are those who have elected to follow the strict rules of the state laws. Several states have these. If the laws are followed and someone feels that they were treated unfairly, then they sue the state, not the city. This is established by a general election of the city population. In many cases, these rules take all the subjective elements out of the process. It is just a series of tests and your score gets you hired. By the time you get to the interview and you meet your first person on that fire department, they already know if you are going to be hired or not. I have sat on these hiring boards. I speak from experience.
There are advantages and disadvantages to this system.
But differences can still occur.
I know two cities in the same county. Both are state civil service cities. Both give the same entrance exam and “PT” test. But one averages in your score on the physical fitness test while the other doesn’t. As you can imagine, this changes everything.
In the same county, there are non-civil service cities. Here they can hire anyone they choose, for any reason. They might give the exact same tests as the other towns but they can skip over someone and hire the guy who grew up there. It happens.
Another issue about some civil service cities/states, they are REQUIRED to give prior military 5 POINTS on that test I mentioned. Depending upon the situation this can move you way up on the list. In Calif. LA Co. gives 10 points. (I think) But many non-civil service cities give some kind of points too. Five points is huge. Remember that example I gave about the guy who was valedictorian vs. the guy who barely passed fire academy? I have seen five points be the difference between first and 15th place on a civil service test where there were hundreds of applicants (and only four people hired).
An entrance test can consist of general knowledge, math, reading skills etc. I know that at least one BIG fire department just uses the SAT.
In some states the union has influence on how many people are hired. In other states, the union plays no part whatsoever.
Some cities (or states) require you to be completely trained before being allowed to take a test or apply while others will hire you and train you like the military did. Some require college while some don’t. (Although the number of cities that do not require at least some college is getting smaller EVERY day.)
So you see, where you go matters a great deal. If you are a good test taker you might want to look into a situation where you are hired based upon your score. Attending a community college will probably help you UNLESS you get a job in one of the really large cities who have there own rookie school. In these cases they will probably make you go to their school anyway. But they will probably require college so you are still ahead.
Be careful whom you listen to. Many people tend to think that everyone else does it just like their department. This could NOT be further from the truth. The best advice I can give you might be “ASK THE DEPARTMENT(S) YOU ARE CONSIDERING WORKING FOR. They are usually happy to fill you in. You can go by fire administration or simply go to a fire station. There you will receive a wealth of information. But remember, they are telling you how to get on THEIR department.
One more note about civil service.- Promotions work the same way. Whoever scores highest on the test, gets the promotion. There is no verbal test. Your record rarely is an issue. It’s all by the written test. There is nothing subjective.
For a little more on hiring and training, go to http://www.captainmica.com
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