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    Default How to dispose of old tanker

    Hopefully today we will take delivery of our new pumper-tanker purchased with a 2005 grant.

    The new pumper-tanker will replace an existing tanker that we are taking out of service due to safety issues.

    The 2006 program guidance states that you have to certify that the truck was taken out of service - I do not see anything like that in the 2005 program guidance.

    What are our options for disposal? Can we sell the truck as is to someone other than a fire department or do we have to sell the truck only as scrap?

    Personally, I want to shoot a 44 mag through the radiator.

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    Are you close to any of the mine pits in SE Kansas?

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    If you stated in your grant app that the vehicle needed to be taken out of service and off the road because it was unsafe, it can not be transferred to another dept. and should not be sold as a tanker.

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    Angry Guess I have more time to decide - truck being held hostage

    Dang $%^$#% dealer didn't deliver the truck - they had snow in their area and didn't want to deliver the truck when the roads weren't perfect.

    Ready to report the truck as stolen.

    4 months late and still waiting..................

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    "how to dispose of" is by far more open to options than simply "documenting it is out of service".

    This forum is probably one of the best places on the web to solicit ideas to "dispose" of anything. Make sure you put the clip on YouTube afterwards, OK?

    In all seriousness, if you're not looking to gain a buck, I'd sell it on eBay with no reserve as-is, where-is, with clear caveats about its condition. With luck it'll be gone in ten days.
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    Mitchkrat;

    That dealer didn't happen to be from northwest of you.....on I70?

    If he is, then it's a common ploy so he can drive it around and sell more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FFCOPEMT View Post
    Mitchkrat;

    That dealer didn't happen to be from northwest of you.....on I70?

    If he is, then it's a common ploy so he can drive it around and sell more.
    Yep - that's the one!

    Also - as far as I know the hose is not in for the truck yet - 2nd time we have had this problem with same dealer

    Update - now they are saying roads are still in such poor condition on I-70 that they can't attempt to deliver today. Another day of our truck being held hostage! But.. the hose may be delivered today, so we'll have the hose - but no truck.

    Should have had the truck shipped UPS!
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    [QUOTE=ElectricHoser;771737]"how to dispose of" is by far more open to options than simply "documenting it is out of service".

    This forum is probably one of the best places on the web to solicit ideas to "dispose" of anything. Make sure you put the clip on YouTube afterwards, OK?

    I vote for donating it to Myth Busters and watching them blow it up or something else fun like that.

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    I'd suggest remove tank from the chassis. You can certainly handle this in house. Keep photos and records of disposal.

    Sell or scrap tank. If tank holds water someone will pay you $ for it. If chassis is worth anything a farmer/contractor/etc will have interest at the right price.

    Selling as an assembly looks like a bad idea if you pitched your need due to safety concerns that could not be solved. Even if the Fire Grant guys don't object, if you're knowingly transfering an unsafe vehicle you have liability exposure you don't need.

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    Smile Got the truck yesterday

    Will post pics when I can get goods pics in daylight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchkrat View Post
    What are our options for disposal? Can we sell the truck as is to someone other than a fire department or do we have to sell the truck only as scrap?
    ebay is your friend.

    Seller it as a former fire service tanker. If it is currently registered, say so. If not, make no gaurantees that it can be registered. Make sure it is listed as out-of-service/currently-unfit-for-fire-service-use/sold "as is".
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    Advertise that it cannot be used for " Fire Service" and then have buyer sign an affidavit stating that they are buying it with full knowledge that the vehicle cannot/ will not be used as a fire department vehicle. That should cover you in terms of satisfying the grant folks at DHS and then keep the document in your grant paperwork.
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    2005 had no stipulations as to what you could and couldn't do with vehicles you were replacing. Of course if it's not safe for you to use, not finding how it's safe for anyone else, but if you sold it to another department for $1 (removes liability issues of donations) then it's on them to baffle the tank and handle the other issues that may need addressing.

    The purpose of ensuring that people removed unsafe trucks was because everyone claimed they were driving death traps, then when they came for the site audit, there's the death trap still running calls.

    Kurt, 2nd week in March I'm making a pit stop at the hallowed grounds in TN on my way from AL workshops to MO workshop. Oh happy days. Hopefully I don't get "stuck" there. Almost afraid of what might follow me home from Jack's place. Such things cost money....

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    BC are you going to the fire school or just passing through a certain dry county to replenish the supply?

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    As much as I'd like to take some classes it will just be a social call to an old friend's place this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    2005 had no stipulations as to what you could and couldn't do with vehicles you were replacing. Of course if it's not safe for you to use, not finding how it's safe for anyone else, but if you sold it to another department for $1 (removes liability issues of donations) then it's on them to baffle the tank and handle the other issues that may need addressing.

    The purpose of ensuring that people removed unsafe trucks was because everyone claimed they were driving death traps, then when they came for the site audit, there's the death trap still running calls.

    Kurt, 2nd week in March I'm making a pit stop at the hallowed grounds in TN on my way from AL workshops to MO workshop. Oh happy days. Hopefully I don't get "stuck" there. Almost afraid of what might follow me home from Jack's place. Such things cost money....
    Just keep the credit card in your pocket when you enter the SIngle Barrel Room unless your willing to part with about $5K for your own personal barrel.
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    This trip I won't have that issue, have to take the plane back from St Louis to Houston TSA won't let that through. Now when I'm driving up over the summer for Expo & vacation, won't have that restriction.

    Only restriction will be the one about not breathing after the wife finds out I did something like that Keep forgetting I shouldn't tell her the life insurance is paid up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    This trip I won't have that issue, have to take the plane back from St Louis to Houston TSA won't let that through. Now when I'm driving up over the summer for Expo & vacation, won't have that restriction.

    Only restriction will be the one about not breathing after the wife finds out I did something like that Keep forgetting I shouldn't tell her the life insurance is paid up...
    Tried to use the "but honey its our anniversary present" that didn't get to far either!
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