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    What is the rated load capacity of your Midmount Tower ladder, Please list the dry load, wet load , and flow rate GPM of your apparatus,also how many firefighters fit in the bucket with equipment !
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    We have a new Dash 95' mm that has a dry load of 1,000 lbs. 500 lbs flowing up to 1500 gpm. The bucket we have is the 22 sq foot bucket it easily hold 2 ff's in full gear with the tools needed to open up a roof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadeau526 View Post
    We have a new Dash 95' mm that has a dry load of 1,000 lbs. 500 lbs flowing up to 1500 gpm. The bucket we have is the 22 sq foot bucket it easily hold 2 ff's in full gear with the tools needed to open up a roof.
    Just about the same for our 06 ALF.

    Dry: 1000 lbs.
    Wet: 500 lbs. up to 1500 gpm.
    The bucket can comfortably fit 3-4 FFers with SCBA and tools when going up dry.
    Most general tools are already in the bucket area: irons, pick axe, chimney chain kit, 2 platform hooks(6'+8'), 1-14 ft roof ladder, 8 ft. peice of 1.75" with nozzle for hitting fire in the facsia, etc. 4 ladder belts also stored in a compartment and an operators headset for the David Clark system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Just about the same for our 06 ALF.

    Dry: 1000 lbs.
    Wet: 500 lbs. up to 1500 gpm.
    The bucket can comfortably fit 3-4 FFers with SCBA and tools when going up dry.
    Most general tools are already in the bucket area: irons, pick axe, chimney chain kit, 2 platform hooks(6'+8'), 1-14 ft roof ladder, 8 ft. peice of 1.75" with nozzle for hitting fire in the facsia, etc. 4 ladder belts also stored in a compartment and an operators headset for the David Clark system.
    An 06 ALF Mid Mount Tower will actually flow 2000+ US GPM (unless maybe yours is configured differently.)
    29 square feet of floor in the bucket!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RFDACM02 View Post
    Just about the same for our 06 ALF.

    Dry: 1000 lbs.
    Wet: 500 lbs. up to 1500 gpm.
    The bucket can comfortably fit 3-4 FFers with SCBA and tools when going up dry.
    Most general tools are already in the bucket area: irons, pick axe, chimney chain kit, 2 platform hooks(6'+8'), 1-14 ft roof ladder, 8 ft. peice of 1.75" with nozzle for hitting fire in the facsia, etc. 4 ladder belts also stored in a compartment and an operators headset for the David Clark system.
    Do you know if the ALF/LTI 75' MM platform is 1,000 lbs, unresricted, dry or wet !...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    Do you know if the ALF/LTI 75' MM platform is 1,000 lbs, unresricted, dry or wet !...
    I do not know this as ours is a 93 footer and there was never any discussion about being able to "up" the payloads.

    Canuck: I belive ours will flow 2000 gpm also, but the load charts are based on a 1500 gpm flow. As I recall other than flowing above 45 degrees the nozzle reaction actaully helps more than it harms with reagrd to payload capacity. Though no one would reduce this to writing and warranty it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    Do you know if the ALF/LTI 75' MM platform is 1,000 lbs, unresricted, dry or wet !...
    What's the matter - my answer isn't good enough for you...? lol

    Unless somebody with more information jumps in here and challenges this, I'll still stick to the same answer (from Pierce at it again thread):

    The way I understand it, the 75' ALF MM platform is 1,000 lbs, unrestricted, dry or wet - flowing 1,000gpm. With the monitor pointed within 45 degrees of the ladder centerline, and below 45 degrees above horizontal (if that makes sense), the waterway rating increases to 1,500gpm, unrestricted.

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    I think when we were looking they are all in the same neighborhood. Two things we have come to realize. Much more than 2 in the bucket for any kind of work is a crowd and lower flow rates (800 gpm) at higher pressures do incredible work of penetrating walls and ceilings for tactical firefighting. If your on a surround and drown the 2" tip is ok, but reality is you don't always get that much water that fast.

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    At full horizontal extension (0 degrees elevation), up to 7 degrees front to back grade, 10 degrees side to side slope, in 50 MPH winds with 1/4" ice buildup:

    1000 lbs dry
    500 lbs wet @ 2000 GPM

    We have the 16 sq ft bucket which will easily hold 3 fully equipped firefighters. The smaller bucket is also much more maneuverable than the 22 sq ft one, and can be placed much more easily into tight spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlitzfireSolo View Post
    What's the matter - my answer isn't good enough for you...? lol

    Unless somebody with more information jumps in here and challenges this, I'll still stick to the same answer (from Pierce at it again thread):

    The way I understand it, the 75' ALF MM platform is 1,000 lbs, unrestricted, dry or wet - flowing 1,000gpm. With the monitor pointed within 45 degrees of the ladder centerline, and below 45 degrees above horizontal (if that makes sense), the waterway rating increases to 1,500gpm, unrestricted.
    To: Blitzfiresolo , Your answer is good enough ! I was just looking to hear from a department that runs a 75' MM ALF/LTI. Thanks, for the information !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewJerseyFFII View Post
    To: Blitzfiresolo , Your answer is good enough ! I was just looking to hear from a department that runs a 75' MM ALF/LTI. Thanks, for the information !!
    Lol - just busting on you.

    I figured I would relocate my post to this thread just to try and keep everything in the same place.

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    Jersey I believe the reply from Chauffer is that of an end user of a 75' MM platform manufactured by ALF.

    RFDACM, The Max flow rate of you 93' is 2000 GPM with limited nozzle movement. As for the Grade question is is a max of 14% of grade corrected as indicated on the angle indicator. How are you making out with the new unit? Send me an e-mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nadeau526 View Post
    We have a new Dash 95' mm that has a dry load of 1,000 lbs. 500 lbs flowing up to 1500 gpm. The bucket we have is the 22 sq foot bucket it easily hold 2 ff's in full gear with the tools needed to open up a roof.
    What he said.
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    My department is shopping for a 95-105 MidMount. Most of the manufacturers are listing 1000# dry and 500# flowing.

    I discovered something interesting though. Where one manufacturer states the 1000# INCLUDES firefighters and equipment, another might say 1000# PLUS firefighters and equipment. I haven't had time yet to consult with NFPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Command6 View Post
    My department is shopping for a 95-105 MidMount. Most of the manufacturers are listing 1000# dry and 500# flowing.

    I discovered something interesting though. Where one manufacturer states the 1000# INCLUDES firefighters and equipment, another might say 1000# PLUS firefighters and equipment. I haven't had time yet to consult with NFPA.
    Will your new apparatus be a 95'-105' " QUINT -or- TRUCK Company ??

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    It will be a quint.

    If I had to make a short list of potential builders, right now it would be:

    Crimson
    E-One
    KME
    Pierce
    Smeal
    Sutphen

    They are listed in alphabetical order to avoid preference. As can be expected, there are likes and dislikes in all of them.

    Priorities for our purchase are reliability, functionality, durability, and a repair center on this side of the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Command6 View Post
    My department is shopping for a 95-105 MidMount. Most of the manufacturers are listing 1000# dry and 500# flowing.

    I discovered something interesting though. Where one manufacturer states the 1000# INCLUDES firefighters and equipment, another might say 1000# PLUS firefighters and equipment. I haven't had time yet to consult with NFPA.
    You are correct,most manufacturers don't state there equp # because they take away from there tip load. NFPA states 1 person is = to 250#s,and remember to check if they test there trucks at 2.5 to 1 or 2 to 1. SAFTEY FACTORS you will be surprised at the answers you will get( we test to NFPA standards) which is 2 to 1. See which one's are 2.5 to 1.

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    Or even a 3 : 1 safety factor as is the case with Sutphen!!!
    I have but one ambition in life and that is to become a firefighter.

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    Have you noticed the the ice and wind loading requirement in NFPA is for one OR the the other?

    I currently have specs from seven vendors in my bookcase. So far, (of the ones I have read), I can tell you that Crimson engineers for wind OR ice; KME is for wind AND ice.

    There are two safety factors as I remember: loading and structural stability? I remember that Sutphen is the only one I have seen that is 3:1, there are otheres that are 2.5:1.

    I don't have a set of specs yet for Sutphen; the rep and I have been playing phone tag. But I am interested in the SPH100.

    UGGH. I am seeing truck specs when I close my eyes at night.

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    Something else to consider. Does your department plan on doing rope rescue or rappelling from or with the platform? I have found that some manufactures allow rappelling and provide attachment points whiles other manufactures strictly forbide it, state that your warranty will be void and one even puts a sign in the platform basket that states "No Rappelling" with a picture of a guy on a rope with a circle and cross over him.

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