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    Edwards: Jesus Would Be Appalled By Americans. Candidate Advocates Prayer Time At School

    POSTED: 9:10 pm EST March 6, 2007

    CHAPEL HILL, N.C. -- Democratic presidential hopeful John Edwards says Jesus would be appalled at how the United States has ignored the plight of the suffering, and that he believes children should have private time to pray at school.

    Survey: Prayer Time In School?

    Edwards, in an interview with the Web site Beliefnet.com, said Jesus would be most upset with the selfishness of Americans and the country's willingness to go to war "when it's not necessary."

    "I think that Jesus would be disappointed in our ignoring the plight of those around us who are suffering and our focus on our own selfish short-term needs," Edwards told the site. "I think he would be appalled, actually."

    Edwards also said he was against teacher-led prayers in public schools, but he added that "allowing time for children to pray for themselves, to themselves, I think is not only OK, I think it's a good thing."

    In the interview, the former North Carolina senator discussed how he lost touch with his day-to-day faith during college, but that it "came roaring back" after the death of his 16-year-old son, Wade, in 1996.

    Edwards has often cited religion as a part of his politics, frequently linking his efforts to fight poverty as a matter of morality.

    Edwards was interviewed by David Kuo, a conservative Christian who served as deputy director of President Bush's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives until 2003. Kuo wrote a book, "Tempting Faith, An Inside Story of Political Seduction," that said Bush aides privately called conservative Christians "nuts," "ridiculous" and "goofy."

    Edwards told Kuo he stood by a decision to keep two bloggers on his staff despite their provocative writings criticizing the Catholic Church. Edwards said he also found the writing offensive, but "decided to forgive them and stand by them, knowing there would be potential political consequences for that."

    The bloggers eventually quit, saying they didn't want to be a liability to the campaign.

    Edwards appeared later Monday at a rally at the University of California, Los Angeles, where he told students that America is looking for a "open, honest and decent human being" to occupy the Oval Office.

    Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press.
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    I don't agree with him at all.

    Perhaps because Im agnostic.

    Reguardless, School is a time for learning, not for self reflection and Religion. If you choose to pray, do it on your own time. What are the agnostic/Athiest people supposed to do durring that time? I suppose they could read or play games or something, and Im sure they wouldn't mind. Im all for freedom of religion and doing whatever you want, but don't take religion and use my time and force it upon me. When I am at School or Work I am there to learn or work, not to pray. There will be plenty of time after school or work to pray if you choose. As far as I know, religion isn't about praying, or going to church, its about your personal beliefs and who you are as a person. Im pretty sure jesus or God or whoever will be cool with it if you don't pray in school.

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    Olie, you and I agree on something! I have no problem with religion either.

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    Hence the reason for having Parochial schools if you don't like Public schools.

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    Edawards is a politician running for President. He and every other schmuck out there will say anything to get elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OlieCan View Post
    I don't agree with him at all.
    Ditto.

    Quote Originally Posted by OlieCan View Post
    If you choose to pray, do it on your own time. What are the agnostic/Athiest people supposed to do durring that time?
    The fact is, there isn't a single kid in school anywhere who doesn't have time during the day to pray if they wanted to. But the religious right isn't really looking to just "set aside time", they're looking to set aside time in everybody's schedule with the exclusive purpose of making it "prayer time". That's where the Constitution gets thrown out the window...

    Kid's are free to pray in school already. We certainly don't need to institutionalize that after so many have fought for so long to get rid of it.
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    Glad we're all seeing eye to eye on this one.

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    The fact is, there isn't a single kid in school anywhere who doesn't have time during the day to pray if they wanted to. But the religious right isn't really looking to just "set aside time", they're looking to set aside time in everybody's schedule with the exclusive purpose of making it "prayer time". That's where the Constitution gets thrown out the window...
    The constitution guaruntees right to practice religion, no where in there does it specifically grant "the right to not hear."

    Another point I believe you are mistaken on is that this is something the "Religious Right" wants to do. I dont want it. And the one proposing this is "athiest liberal."

    I absolutely hate the idea of any formal religion established by a government. What good is it, when asked at your final judgement about your beliefs, to say "I only believed it because some shmuck in a suit told me to."

    I thought the democrats didnt like the idea of prayer in schools anyway. And if this is just "pandering to the majority" in order to be elected, I guess that means the religious right must be the majority. Although I'd just as soon believe the senator has had a stroke (not of genius).

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    Those big, bad religous right thugs again.....

    I suppose you would put John Edwards in the religious right?

    Is it the religious right that was pushing to have Muslim prayer rooms put into New York City Public Schools.

    There is a huge difference in being anti-school prayer and anti-Christian.

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    Bottom line is that there should be time set aside just for "prayer" time in the day. Not everyone prays and not all "christians' or religous people want to pray at a specific time. I would think that the bible would frown on people praying the same time everyday just because it was because it was easy.

    But, there have been several times, at least in the DFW area, that kids have gotten in trouble for wearing religious T-shirts or passing out christmas cards and candy canes.

    Everyone should have the freedom to worship how they want, even Muslims. But, when you are forced to do something, thats when it crosses the line. When your forced to pray, when your forced to do christmas cards, when your forced to participate in Haloween activities when you dont want to... that is when you are crossing the line.

    They should not be able to ban praying but they should not make people do it.

    Now, the only exception that I see to the rule is for muslims, who in some beliefs must bow to Mecca at least 5 times a day. They very well possibly need some time set aside to pray but... as I said before, doing it out of routine.... I dont know, to some that might as well be of no use.

    I think for those who want it, it should be like a bathroom break or something along those lines

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    As the good Captain......................er.................um ..............Deputy has said, this maroon will say/do whatever it takes to get himself elected.

    Chapel Hill (akin to Cambridge, MA or Amherst, MA) is right next to me in Durham, NC. Some of the most afluent homes and real estate in North Carolina and this is where Mr. Edwards lives.

    Mr. Edwards is a hypocrite. He goes on about how short sighted we as Americans are (not saying that I disagree with him) and our won selfishness...........While he is completing construction on his own estate in Orange COunty (where Chapel hill is)

    http://carolinajournal.com/exclusive...e.html?id=3848

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...020201035.html


    So when John Edwards wishes to tell me what to do help poor people and tells me to be less selfish and short sighted I will tell him to screw off. Old news I know, but it does shed light on the type of self righteous, hypocrite that he truly is.


    As for prayer in school.......Close your eyes and pray. No one is going to stop you for praying. No time needs to be set aside to do it from the daily schedule.
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