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    I've played the game and I understand it completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighterkid View Post
    oh so im not a firefighter now because i disagree with you and i am younger then you?

    I am originally from the city i have there, do not live there now, just havent got around to changing it because i am not on this site enough. I am not a biggot, I have nothing against the USA or people from the USA, I am just saying we should have someone that knows hockey running the NHL. Gary Bettman made all his money and moved up within the NBA and then just jumped over to the NHL when the job opened up, as far as I am concerened he has no idea what he is talking about. The league was run great when the head offices were in Toronto and it was run by Canadians, I think we should have a Canadian in there now.

    Or at least an American who knows something about the game. But hey i guess that makes me a biggot, and being a younger person then you that disagrees with you makes me a "kid not worth your time".
    No. You're not a FF because the public profile-which you JUST changed in the last hour-says that you're not.

    You're a bigot because of your words.

    Lots of kids are worth my time. You're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoughRider View Post
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    Yeah, and my wooden skate blades had curly cues at the tips.

    Potvin STILL sucks.

    BTW, Gary Howatt runs a driving range about 2 miles from my house.

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    lol ok George, not worth time because i disagree.

    biggot because i think the american running the league doesnt have a clue and the american teams that get no support should be in a different city.

    I have no problems with an American running the league if they knew what they were doing, Bettman does not and he is ruining the game.

    I have no problems with American cities having teams if the city supports them.

    New York teams get alot of support, Detroit, Colorado, LA, San Jose, all these teams get great support, I am talking about the Atlantas and Nashvilles of the league who have good teams and empty seats night in and night out.

    Just like the Expos left Montreal because Montreal isnt a baseball city and people did not go to their games, the Thrashers and Predators should be leaving their cities too.

    Atlanta had a team back in the 70's they left and went to Calgary, Atlanta wasn't a hockey city then, what makes it one now? If you can't fill a building then you don't deserve a team. All Bettman cares about is having 30 teams so it can be considered one of the Big 4 with Football Baseball and Basketball. Instead he should worry about having a better product on the ice, better tv deals and if Americans don't want to watch hockey, don't give them a team. Instead of trying to be just like the other sports he should just worry about his own and make it better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighterkid View Post
    lol ok George, not worth time because i disagree.

    biggot because i think the american running the league doesnt have a clue and the american teams that get no support should be in a different city.

    I have no problems with an American running the league if they knew what they were doing, Bettman does not and he is ruining the game.

    I have no problems with American cities having teams if the city supports them.

    New York teams get alot of support, Detroit, Colorado, LA, San Jose, all these teams get great support, I am talking about the Atlantas and Nashvilles of the league who have good teams and empty seats night in and night out.

    Just like the Expos left Montreal because Montreal isnt a baseball city and people did not go to their games, the Thrashers and Predators should be leaving their cities too.

    Atlanta had a team back in the 70's they left and went to Calgary, Atlanta wasn't a hockey city then, what makes it one now? If you can't fill a building then you don't deserve a team. All Bettman cares about is having 30 teams so it can be considered one of the Big 4 with Football Baseball and Basketball. Instead he should worry about having a better product on the ice, better tv deals and if Americans don't want to watch hockey, don't give them a team. Instead of trying to be just like the other sports he should just worry about his own and make it better.

    I'm sorry. Did you say something?

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    Real mature there george real mature --- and im the kid

    Look we are not going to agree on this anytime soon, we both like the game so i guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree on this and keep watching the game we love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Yeah, and my wooden skate blades had curly cues at the tips.

    Potvin STILL sucks.

    BTW, Gary Howatt runs a driving range about 2 miles from my house.
    Ah yes.... Good old Gary. Many moons ago I spent a few weeks attending summer school. Gary took me a buddy a few times. (He was friends with my buddy’s father) Boy he could fight for small guy! Think Terry O’Reilly. Tie Domi in his Ranger days couldn’t hold Gary’s Jock strap. I played street hockey in a bank parking lot that was next door to the hotel the 4 time Stanley Cup Champs stayed during the post season (Burt Bacharach’s). I have fond memories of them coming out signing autographs and playing with us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firefighterkid View Post
    lol ok George, not worth time because i disagree.

    biggot because i think the american running the league doesnt have a clue and the american teams that get no support should be in a different city.

    I have no problems with an American running the league if they knew what they were doing, Bettman does not and he is ruining the game.

    I have no problems with American cities having teams if the city supports them.

    New York teams get alot of support, Detroit, Colorado, LA, San Jose, all these teams get great support, I am talking about the Atlantas and Nashvilles of the league who have good teams and empty seats night in and night out.

    Just like the Expos left Montreal because Montreal isnt a baseball city and people did not go to their games, the Thrashers and Predators should be leaving their cities too.

    Atlanta had a team back in the 70's they left and went to Calgary, Atlanta wasn't a hockey city then, what makes it one now? If you can't fill a building then you don't deserve a team. All Bettman cares about is having 30 teams so it can be considered one of the Big 4 with Football Baseball and Basketball. Instead he should worry about having a better product on the ice, better tv deals and if Americans don't want to watch hockey, don't give them a team. Instead of trying to be just like the other sports he should just worry about his own and make it better.
    Actually, FFkid, your post that I quoted here is saying quite a different thing than your previous posts of "if a Canadian this and that".

    This one here makes sense.
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    well all i can say is that i love my country and know that any city in this country would show more support to hockey teams then some of the cities i have mentioned from your country. I also think that Canadians as a whole have a better grasp on the game of hockey and understand it more. That is why i think a Canadian should run the league, and I also think the NHL head office should return to Toronto.
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    TORONTO (AP) - The Toronto Maple Leafs got revenge and a needed victory.

    Kyle Wellwood and Nik Antropov scored, and enforcer Wade Belak got retribution for Toronto by fighting New Jersey's Cam Janssen in the Maple Leafs' 2-1 win over the Devils on Tuesday night.

    The last time the teams played on March 2 at New Jersey, All-Star Maple Leafs defenseman Tomas Kaberle sustained a concussion after a late hit from Janssen, who was suspended for three games.

    Kaberle practiced Monday for the first time since the hit, but missed his eighth straight.

    Fans booed Janssen when he stepped on the ice for his first shift and after he sent Yanic Perreault into the boards with a crushing check. Belak and Janssen immediately dropped their gloves at the start of Janssen's second shift.

    Belak landing several punches before Janssen connected at center ice. Fans chanted 'Belak!' Belak!' throughout the long bout.

    "I came out and just kind of yelled at him and he looked at me, and it was time to go," Belak said. "My job is protect players like Kabby. He's not expected to go out there and fight. That's my job and I'm fine doing it."

    Andrew Raycroft made 24 saves for the Leafs, who moved into a tie for eighth in the Eastern Conference with Carolina and Montreal.

    Toronto captain Mats Sundin called it an "unbelievable fight."

    "We lose one of our best players during this time of the season. I thought it was the appropriate thing to do and he did a great job," Sundin said.

    Travis Zajac scored for the Atlantic Division-leading Devils, who have lost four of five.

    Devils goalie Martin Brodeur gave Janssen credit for fighting.

    "He's a great kid. He doesn't mean to hurt anybody. He plays his game. He was dealt with a certain talent and that's what he does," Brodeur said. "He felt really bad for what happened to Kaberle. He's been waiting for this for a long time. He knew he had to face the music and he did it like a man, that's good."

    New Jersey's Jay Pandolfo lost the puck on a breakaway, and the Leafs brought it back up ice. Mats Sundin made a drop pass to Wellwood, whose one-timer gave Toronto a 1-0 lead at 18:33 of the first.

    Sundin recorded his 900th Toronto point with his second assist. Sundin failed to score on a wraparound, but Antropov put in the rebound at 6:01 of the third.

    Just 48 seconds later, Zajac cut it to 2-1 by scoring on a rebound.

    The Devils pulled Brodeur for an extra skater with 34 seconds left, but failed to net the tying goal.

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    Obviously, the players in the NHL are not upset with fighting being part of the game.
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    This was a good fight, went 4mins, if you watch you see the players tell the refs to stay back and let them go, awesome, part of why i love hockey.
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    "I came out and just kind of yelled at him and he looked at me, and it was time to go," Belak said. "My job is protect players like Kabby. He's not expected to go out there and fight. That's my job and I'm fine doing it."
    Ought to buy him and his coach a suspension. Great example for the kids.

    awesome, part of why i love hockey.
    all of why you are about everything that is bad about a great game. You must be a trip in your HS cafeteria.

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    Oh yeah i guess im still in high school, 3 years after i graduated. lol you are hilarous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    TORONTO (AP) - The Toronto Maple Leafs got revenge and a needed victory.

    Kyle Wellwood and Nik Antropov scored, and enforcer Wade Belak got retribution for Toronto by fighting New Jersey's Cam Janssen in the Maple Leafs' 2-1 win over the Devils on Tuesday night.

    The last time the teams played on March 2 at New Jersey, All-Star Maple Leafs defenseman Tomas Kaberle sustained a concussion after a late hit from Janssen, who was suspended for three games.

    Kaberle practiced Monday for the first time since the hit, but missed his eighth straight.

    Fans booed Janssen when he stepped on the ice for his first shift and after he sent Yanic Perreault into the boards with a crushing check. Belak and Janssen immediately dropped their gloves at the start of Janssen's second shift.

    Belak landing several punches before Janssen connected at center ice. Fans chanted 'Belak!' Belak!' throughout the long bout.

    "I came out and just kind of yelled at him and he looked at me, and it was time to go," Belak said. "My job is protect players like Kabby. He's not expected to go out there and fight. That's my job and I'm fine doing it."

    Andrew Raycroft made 24 saves for the Leafs, who moved into a tie for eighth in the Eastern Conference with Carolina and Montreal.

    Toronto captain Mats Sundin called it an "unbelievable fight."

    "We lose one of our best players during this time of the season. I thought it was the appropriate thing to do and he did a great job," Sundin said.

    Travis Zajac scored for the Atlantic Division-leading Devils, who have lost four of five.

    Devils goalie Martin Brodeur gave Janssen credit for fighting.

    "He's a great kid. He doesn't mean to hurt anybody. He plays his game. He was dealt with a certain talent and that's what he does," Brodeur said. "He felt really bad for what happened to Kaberle. He's been waiting for this for a long time. He knew he had to face the music and he did it like a man, that's good."

    New Jersey's Jay Pandolfo lost the puck on a breakaway, and the Leafs brought it back up ice. Mats Sundin made a drop pass to Wellwood, whose one-timer gave Toronto a 1-0 lead at 18:33 of the first.

    Sundin recorded his 900th Toronto point with his second assist. Sundin failed to score on a wraparound, but Antropov put in the rebound at 6:01 of the third.

    Just 48 seconds later, Zajac cut it to 2-1 by scoring on a rebound.

    The Devils pulled Brodeur for an extra skater with 34 seconds left, but failed to net the tying goal.

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    Obviously, the players in the NHL are not upset with fighting being part of the game.
    Nor are the fans. Or so it seems. Did you see them after this fight. Everybody was going nuts. Yet two nights later when Todd Fedoruk or last night when Jon Sim get KO'd everyone jumps back on the fighting is bad bandwagon. What a bunch of bloody hypocrites. Make your mind up people.

    As for Belak. He kills me really. The night before the game they're all going on about how they're not going too pay attention too a guy (Janssen) who only plays a minute and half a game,Belak included. Yet the first shift Janssen is on the ice what does Belak do. Goes right after him and now is a bloody hero in hockey for Toronto. What a tool.

    I'm going too try and find a Letter Of The Day from the Toronto Sun written by someone about fighting. I don't think anyone could have said anything better than this guy.

    George I'd of given someone who has been around like you to be a lot more mature and sensible than what you have shown in this thread. Just looking at your childish behaviour towards someone significantly younger than you , all because he disagrees with what you say, really made me laugh at how pathetic you are. Thats not on man at all.


    P.S. Heres the link too the article in the sun. Couldn't have said it any better myself

    http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Fan...89285-sun.html
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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMME EENNN to that, dont like the fighting and the roughness or "violence" in hockey then go watch soccer or baseball or golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Nor are the fans. Or so it seems. Did you see them after this fight. Everybody was going nuts. Yet two nights later when Todd Fedoruk or last night when Jon Sim get KO'd everyone jumps back on the fighting is bad bandwagon. What a bunch of bloody hypocrites. Make your mind up people.

    As for Belak. He kills me really. The night before the game they're all going on about how they're not going too pay attention too a guy (Janssen) who only plays a minute and half a game,Belak included. Yet the first shift Janssen is on the ice what does Belak do. Goes right after him and now is a bloody hero in hockey for Toronto. What a tool.

    I'm going too try and find a Letter Of The Day from the Toronto Sun written by someone about fighting. I don't think anyone could have said anything better than this guy.

    George I'd of given someone who has been around like you to be a lot more mature and sensible than what you have shown in this thread. Just looking at your childish behaviour towards someone significantly younger than you , all because he disagrees with what you say, really made me laugh at how pathetic you are. Thats not on man at all.


    P.S. Heres the link too the article in the sun. Couldn't have said it any better myself

    http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Fan...89285-sun.html

    If you come on here spouting nonsense, you have to be prepared.

    As far as your example of the fans, certainly you are old enough to remember Roller Derby and pre-WWE professional wrestling, aren't you? The fans went wild watching that, too. It was as fake and as pointless as can be. Pro hockey is heading in that direction.

    Right after the strike, fighting was almost non-existent. With the rule changes like getting rid of the red line, banning the trap and cracking down on the holding and grabbing, the game was fast and was very appealing to the fans. Did the fans complain that there was a lack of fighting? Did any attendance drop relate to the lack of fighting? No.

    The NHL found out just how easy it is to do without them. They should take a lesson.

    The other night, there was a fight between Colton Orr and Todd Fedoruk. The fight occurred 21 seconds into the game. The replay shows Orr tapping Fedoruk on the leg and nodding his head. Off they go. They were basically holding on for like 20 seconds when the officials could have stepped in. There was a report that the players asked to officials to let it go. Well, Fedoruk takes one shot to the side of the head and goes down unconscious (Note to Fedoruk: You do not have a clue how to fight). He is carried off on a stretcher.

    I did not see the game, so I looked for the fight on youtube. Here is an interesting link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxRKh5IuZ1w .

    This is a TSN clip that features Tie Domi, Mike Kennan and Bob MacKenzie talking about fighting and the future of hockey. I will admit that Tie Domi's credibility in this area is lacking, but he certainly has knowledge of the subject. His point, surprisingly eloquently stated, is that the NHL needs to crack down on the violence before a player is killed. Keenan agrees with him. So do I. If a player got killed during a hockey fight, the NHL would be done. Overnight.

    A true hockey fan cannot tell me that watching a fight filled, chippy hockey game is better than watching a fast game with lots of passing and good defense and, yes, hard-hitting. Hard-hitting and "rouchness" is a necessary and enjoyable part of the game. Fighting and violence is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    If you come on here spouting nonsense, you have to be prepared.

    As far as your example of the fans, certainly you are old enough to remember Roller Derby and pre-WWE professional wrestling, aren't you? The fans went wild watching that, too. It was as fake and as pointless as can be. Pro hockey is heading in that direction.

    Right after the strike, fighting was almost non-existent. With the rule changes like getting rid of the red line, banning the trap and cracking down on the holding and grabbing, the game was fast and was very appealing to the fans. Did the fans complain that there was a lack of fighting? Did any attendance drop relate to the lack of fighting? No.

    The NHL found out just how easy it is to do without them. They should take a lesson.

    The other night, there was a fight between Colton Orr and Todd Fedoruk. The fight occurred 21 seconds into the game. The replay shows Orr tapping Fedoruk on the leg and nodding his head. Off they go. They were basically holding on for like 20 seconds when the officials could have stepped in. There was a report that the players asked to officials to let it go. Well, Fedoruk takes one shot to the side of the head and goes down unconscious (Note to Fedoruk: You do not have a clue how to fight). He is carried off on a stretcher.

    I did not see the game, so I looked for the fight on youtube. Here is an interesting link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxRKh5IuZ1w .

    This is a TSN clip that features Tie Domi, Mike Kennan and Bob MacKenzie talking about fighting and the future of hockey. I will admit that Tie Domi's credibility in this area is lacking, but he certainly has knowledge of the subject. His point, surprisingly eloquently stated, is that the NHL needs to crack down on the violence before a player is killed. Keenan agrees with him. So do I. If a player got killed during a hockey fight, the NHL would be done. Overnight.

    A true hockey fan cannot tell me that watching a fight filled, chippy hockey game is better than watching a fast game with lots of passing and good defense and, yes, hard-hitting. Hard-hitting and "rouchness" is a necessary and enjoyable part of the game. Fighting and violence is not.

    I'm not saying,nor have I ever said I enjoy seeing a fight filled hockey game. A good scrap in a game isn't always a bad thing though. I love every aspect of the game,including the odd fights. The only time you ever really see more than one fight in a game now is if someone gets hurt. Prime example is the Colton Orr and Todd Fedoruk. Orr catches em with a good right, Fedoruk goes down. Next time Orr is on the ice Ben Eager felt he needed too stick up for his teammate(although I don't know why) and they went again. Those are really the only times you ever see more than a fight a game,if theres even one fight. Stupid stuff happens,your going too see more fights. Now that fight in a sense could be blamed on the coaches as well. Both coaches knew damn well when they put Orr and Fedoruk on the ice together they weren't going too line up and ask each other over for a cup of tea later.


    I agree with you George(suprisingly eh) that post lock out that was very good hockey, even with the lack of fighting. But it is still good hockey even with fighting. Look at the Buffalo and Washington game the other night. Some amazing plays,highlight reel goals, and a good fight betweem Donald Brashear and Andrew Peters. Nobody got hurt. Everyone went home.

    Some fights you'll never stop. Its enforcer vs enforcer,it's known this fight will happen before the game is even started. It's what they do. But personally I think the major influx can be blamed on the refs as well. When did all this fighting really start up again. When the refs started too slack off on making minor calls like high sticks,slashes.Beleive me nothing ****es someone off more than getting sticked in the face with a half or no visor, so what do they do, they retaliate. Then someone gets hurt. Then the enforcer comes out and the broohaha is on. Then the other teams enforcer sticks up for him. Its a vicious circle I've gotten caught in myself before. Same with things like hitting from behind,boarding and stuff like that. I notice guys getting away with a lot of boarder line if not glaringly obvious penaltys. Same deal. Someone gets hurt because of it, so enforcer goes out and trims em. If refs cracked down on this stuff I think you'd see fighting go down. Until they do,people are going too keep getting hurt, people will continue too do stupid things like Simon or Jordan Tootoo(although I stick up for Tootoo all the way,any person would have done that) and fighting will stay on the rise.


    Too quote that Toronto Sun article. "If hockey isn't your cup of tea, drink something else". Nobody forces anyone too watch it. You don't like it,flip the channel
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    First of all, hockey is my cup of tea. Has been since I saw my first NHL game in the old Madison Square Garden when I was 5. Montreal 4 Rangers 0. That was over 40 years ago.

    Second of all, the solution to a lot of this crap is right in your post. The so-called enforcer. Why is an "enforcer" necessary? I know. To protect the "star players". From what? I know. Injury.

    BS!

    The only thing they are protecting the star players from is taking a penalty. Are you telling me that Crosby can't handle himself? Jagr can't handle himself? C'mon. Handle your scraps yourself or get out. For God's sake, Crosby is bigger, younger and faster than 90% of the guys out there.

    I do 100% agree with you on two counts.

    1. This crap started up again when the refs backed off
    2. The coaches are every bit to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    First of all, hockey is my cup of tea. Has been since I saw my first NHL game in the old Madison Square Garden when I was 5. Montreal 4 Rangers 0. That was over 40 years ago.

    Second of all, the solution to a lot of this crap is right in your post. The so-called enforcer. Why is an "enforcer" necessary? I know. To protect the "star players". From what? I know. Injury.

    BS!

    The only thing they are protecting the star players from is taking a penalty. Are you telling me that Crosby can't handle himself? Jagr can't handle himself? C'mon. Handle your scraps yourself or get out. For God's sake, Crosby is bigger, younger and faster than 90% of the guys out there.

    I do 100% agree with you on two counts.

    1. This crap started up again when the refs backed off
    2. The coaches are every bit to blame.

    Crosby...HAHAHAHA. Are you kidding me.That kid is the biggest cry baby on the face of the earth. I played against him when he played for the Dartmouth Midget AAA Subways. That kid had a guy looking after him in Midget for frig sakes. He's never had to fight his own battles nor will he ever. Crosby would just as soon sit there and jaw at you to get you going then skate away or slash you across the wrists than drop the gloves. If crosby dropped the gloves with Derek Boogard his face would be broken in about 16 spots. Sure he's strong as an ox,I know first hand, and he's fast but he doesn't even know the first thing about fighting. The season he came into the CHL he had Mark Tobin on his team and what was Tobins sole job. To protect him. Tobin didn't even deserve too play in the Q but he was there for that reason. So why do stars not fight? Simple they can't and they would be anihalted


    In your 40 years I don't know what sort of Hockey levels you played in but it's obviously not one where you were I'm going too say legally fight and get away with a 5 minute major and thats it. Theres many purposes too fighting than just two guys going out and chucking knuckles. You'd be surpsied too know the amount of respect hockey fighters have for each other. You can tell when someone isn't a known scrapper because if they both go down the non scrapper will keep hitting him even on the ice. A true fighter will stop. Same if you get injured in a fight i.e. pop out a shoulder, the other guy will know. If he's a true fighter he'll stop. Fights can be used for many things. I know if my team was down a few goals and having a crap game,if I went out and lined up with the other guy he'd know I was just looking too spark my team,surpsing how much a good fight will do that. He knows I would do the same. After the game we'd be chatting in the tunnel. Same as if there is a big brawl in a previous game between two teams for whatever reason the two scappers line up the first faceoff and do their thing. That sends a message too everyone else saying ok this crap is done and overwith,lets play hockey now. So its not just always two guys going out too bust each others faces in. These are all things from Junior ranks, so maybe the NHL'ers should take a bit of lessons from these guys because personally this is how the enforcer role should be. Not some little star player going out and fighting and trying too be the big hero. Leave it too them too take care of this stuff
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