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    Two Former Firefighters Have Been Found Not Guilty

    Two Former Firefighters Have Been Found Not Guilty - Jon Sonnheim Reports

    Two former eastern Kentucky firefighters charged with intentionally setting a major forest fire in Bell County in 2005 have been found not guilty.

    Brothers Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill, Junior were both temporary employees with the Kentucky Division of Forestry.

    Donald Caudill says the last two years have been very rough on him and his brother.

    Everywhere they go, people talking and whispering, presuming their guilt instead of innocence.

    Donald and Barnell Caudill Junior were originally indicted by a Bell County Grand Jury and charged with willfully setting fire on land not owned or controlled by them.

    Investigators believed the Caudills started a fire in April of 2005 in the Elliott Branch area of Bell County, and accused them of trying to prevent other firefighters from fighting the fire.

    A jury last month ultimately found them not guilty of the charges.

    “It means a lot. We waited two years to prove our innocence, and we're finally glad to get a chance to do it,” Caudill said.

    “There are agencies and officials who are going to investigate the settings of these fires, and when the evidence so warrants, people will be prosecuted,” Bell County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Karen Greene said.

    Officials with the department of forestry say they respect the jury's decision but are terribly disappointed with the verdict.

    Officials say the Caudills will not be getting their jobs back.

    Meanwhile, the Caudills say they're just trying to move on with their lives

    My two cents!
    Jury dropped the ball!I hope the brothers at least get cold feet the next time they think about setting fires in Bell County!Decisions like this show how the locals view woods arson in Kentucky.We fighting a up hill battle in Eastern Kentucky battling arson fires.A Jury like the one in Bell County just dont understand woodland arson is a crime!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfront View Post
    Two Former Firefighters Have Been Found Not Guilty

    Two Former Firefighters Have Been Found Not Guilty - Jon Sonnheim Reports

    Two former eastern Kentucky firefighters charged with intentionally setting a major forest fire in Bell County in 2005 have been found not guilty.

    Brothers Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill, Junior were both temporary employees with the Kentucky Division of Forestry.

    Donald Caudill says the last two years have been very rough on him and his brother.

    Everywhere they go, people talking and whispering, presuming their guilt instead of innocence.

    Donald and Barnell Caudill Junior were originally indicted by a Bell County Grand Jury and charged with willfully setting fire on land not owned or controlled by them.

    Investigators believed the Caudills started a fire in April of 2005 in the Elliott Branch area of Bell County, and accused them of trying to prevent other firefighters from fighting the fire.

    A jury last month ultimately found them not guilty of the charges.

    “It means a lot. We waited two years to prove our innocence, and we're finally glad to get a chance to do it,” Caudill said.

    “There are agencies and officials who are going to investigate the settings of these fires, and when the evidence so warrants, people will be prosecuted,” Bell County Commonwealth’s Attorney, Karen Greene said.

    Officials with the department of forestry say they respect the jury's decision but are terribly disappointed with the verdict.

    Officials say the Caudills will not be getting their jobs back.

    Meanwhile, the Caudills say they're just trying to move on with their lives

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    Jury dropped the ball!I hope the brothers at least get cold feet the next time they think about setting fires in Bell County!Decisions like this show how the locals view woods arson in Kentucky.We fighting a up hill battle in Eastern Kentucky battling arson fires.A Jury like the one in Bell County just dont understand woodland arson is a crime!

    Didn't understand? Or maybe it was not such a great case.

    Post some background. What evidence was presented? What was the defense?

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    I'm not sure why an acquittal automatically merits a frowning emoticon. Isn't it possible that they were not, in fact, guilty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc View Post
    I'm not sure why an acquittal automatically merits a frowning emoticon. Isn't it possible that they were not, in fact, guilty?
    Exactly. If I'm not mistaken, in our legal system a defendant is innocent till proven guilty. Or maybe that's changed since I originally read the Constitution in grade school.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc View Post
    I'm not sure why an acquittal automatically merits a frowning emoticon. Isn't it possible that they were not, in fact, guilty?
    In this case Forestry Rangers with the state were threated and interfered with by the brothers.Rangers in Kentucky have no arrest powers.In eastern Kentucky most folks do not see woods arson as a crime.Many people mistakenly belive burning the woods is ok.Kentucky needs to total attitude change among the public,communities,and prosectutors.Over 60 precent Kentucky wildfire are arson.The mind set of this jury can be traced back to years of viewing woods arson as not a crime."Grandpa and dad burned the land to kill snakes,grow pot or for work." Many join emergency crews hire by the state to surpress fires.The fight fire during the day and set new fire's at night, usually riding ATV.The jury who were made up of locals have a mindset about woods arson that is enbedded and fed by years burning without fear of arrest.
    This has become such a the a special task force has been formed to battle woods arson across the state.A jury found them not guilty.So be it.The justice system isn't perfect, but it's all we got!

    Below is the orign press released.

    FRANKFORT, Ky. (Dec. 29, 2005) - Two Bell County men, Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill Jr., have been charged with wildland arson, wanton endangerment, interference with forestry officers or employees and terroristic threatening.

    The charges stem from wildland fires believed to have been intentionally set on April 9, 2005 in the Elliott Branch area of Jenson, east of Pineville, in Bell County. The fires burned an estimated 85 acres. The two men, who are brothers, interfered with forest rangers’ efforts to extinguish the fire. They also discharged a weapon and made verbal threats.
    Donald Caudill was arrested on Wednesday by Kentucky State Police. Barnell Caudill Jr. is being sought. Both were temporary hourly laborers employed by the Kentucky Division of Forestry (KDF) as emergency firefighters at the time of the incident. Leah MacSwords, division director, immediately barred them from further employment.

    The Environmental and Public Protection Cabinet’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) conducted an investigation. OIG presented the case to Bell County Attorney Neil Ward, who filed the charges against the two men on Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2005.

    Susan Bush, commissioner of the Department for Natural Resources, said, "Arsonists will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." KDF is a division of the department.

    With wildland arson on the increase, Governor Ernie Fletcher announced on Dec. 10 a new enforcement initiative involving multiple agencies, including KDF, Kentucky State Police, Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources and the Kentucky National Guard.

    Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill Jr. both were charged with single counts of wanton endangerment, misdemeanor terroristic threatening, misdemeanor interference with a forestry officer or employee and setting fire on land owned by another - the legal term for wildland arson. The wanton-endangerment and arson charges are Class D felonies, punishable by 1 to 5 years in prison. The arson charge also carries a fine of up to $10,000. The misdemeanors are punishable by up to a year in jail.
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    Coldfront. A press release is not a trial. The trial might have uncovered facts not detailed in the release that caused the jury to exonerate them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc View Post
    I'm not sure why an acquittal automatically merits a frowning emoticon. Isn't it possible that they were not, in fact, guilty?
    Exactly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfront View Post
    In this case Forestry Rangers with the state were threated and interfered with by the brothers.Rangers in Kentucky have no arrest powers.In eastern Kentucky most folks do not see woods arson as a crime.Many people mistakenly belive burning the woods is ok.Kentucky needs to total attitude change among the public,communities,and prosectutors.Over 60 precent Kentucky wildfire are arson.The mind set of this jury can be traced back to years of viewing woods arson as not a crime."Grandpa and dad burned the land to kill snakes,grow pot or for work." Many join emergency crews hire by the state to surpress fires.The fight fire during the day and set new fire's at night, usually riding ATV.The jury who were made up of locals have a mindset about woods arson that is enbedded and fed by years burning without fear of arrest.
    This has become such a the a special task force has been formed to battle woods arson across the state.A jury found them not guilty.So be it.The justice system isn't perfect, but it's all we got!

    Below is the orign press released.

    FRANKFORT, Ky. (Dec. 29, 2005) - Two Bell County men, Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill Jr., have been charged with wildland arson, wanton endangerment, interference with forestry officers or employees and terroristic threatening.

    The charges stem from wildland fires believed to have been intentionally set on April 9, 2005 in the Elliott Branch area of Jenson, east of Pineville, in Bell County. The fires burned an estimated 85 acres. The two men, who are brothers, interfered with forest rangers’ efforts to extinguish the fire. They also discharged a weapon and made verbal threats.
    Donald Caudill was arrested on Wednesday by Kentucky State Police. Barnell Caudill Jr. is being sought. Both were temporary hourly laborers employed by the Kentucky Division of Forestry (KDF) as emergency firefighters at the time of the incident. Leah MacSwords, division director, immediately barred them from further employment.

    The Environmental and Public Protection Cabinet’s Office of Inspector General (OIG) conducted an investigation. OIG presented the case to Bell County Attorney Neil Ward, who filed the charges against the two men on Tuesday, Dec. 27, 2005.

    Susan Bush, commissioner of the Department for Natural Resources, said, "Arsonists will not be tolerated and will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law." KDF is a division of the department.

    With wildland arson on the increase, Governor Ernie Fletcher announced on Dec. 10 a new enforcement initiative involving multiple agencies, including KDF, Kentucky State Police, Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife Resources and the Kentucky National Guard.

    Donald Caudill and Barnell Caudill Jr. both were charged with single counts of wanton endangerment, misdemeanor terroristic threatening, misdemeanor interference with a forestry officer or employee and setting fire on land owned by another - the legal term for wildland arson. The wanton-endangerment and arson charges are Class D felonies, punishable by 1 to 5 years in prison. The arson charge also carries a fine of up to $10,000. The misdemeanors are punishable by up to a year in jail.
    That's nice. But you ignored the questions. Let's try again.

    Didn't understand? Or maybe it was not such a great case.

    Post some background. What evidence was presented? What was the defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    That's nice. But you ignored the questions. Let's try again.

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    Dont take it personal George just practicing for political office.
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    So you have no intention of producing any evidence to support the lunacy you posted?

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    So you have no intention of producing any evidence to support the lunacy you posted?
    Correct! Lunacy wins!

    FACTS

    The jury believe the caudill brothers over Kentucky Division Forestry Rangers.

    The jury was made up of folks who do not see woods arson as a crime.This mindset has been feed in the mountains of Kentucky for generations.

    It's so dam bad that a task force has been formed to address the issue of woods arson statewide.

    Sorry George if this post has stressed you out.No more lunacy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfront View Post

    The jury believe the caudill brothers over Kentucky Division Forestry Rangers.
    So what? Maybe the Caudill brothers seemed credible and the Rangers did not. Maybe the storyline didn't add up, or the chronology was wrong. Or maybe the jury did believe the Rangers more, but took seriously the judge's instruction on the difference between preponderance of the evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and didn't believe the Rangers THAT MUCH more.

    The jury was made up of folks who do not see woods arson as a crime.
    That is an assertion, not a fact. Do you have any evidence that the members of this jury do not, in fact, view woods arson as a crime? If you do, post it. And then don't blame the jury, blame the state's atty. for allowing such a jury to be seated.

    This mindset has been feed in the mountains of Kentucky for generations.
    OK. So? That doesn't mean this particular jury shared that mindset.

    It's so dam bad that a task force has been formed to address the issue of woods arson statewide.
    The fact that woods arson in a problem in general does not mean that woods arson was committed in the specific instance.

    I'm willing to believe that the jury made a mistake; they frequently do. But you need to tell us what exactly their mistake was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coldfront View Post
    Correct! Lunacy wins!

    FACTS

    The jury believe the caudill brothers over Kentucky Division Forestry Rangers.

    The jury was made up of folks who do not see woods arson as a crime.This mindset has been feed in the mountains of Kentucky for generations.

    It's so dam bad that a task force has been formed to address the issue of woods arson statewide.

    Sorry George if this post has stressed you out.No more lunacy!

    1. The State's responsibility is to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to make someone more believable than someone else. If the State does not prove the case, the jury has no option but to acquit. If you were the defendant, you would want (and would be legally entitled to) nothing less.

    2. You have no idea what the mindset of the members of the jury was. You see, it is the jury's responsibility to look at a case impartially, and make judgements based solely on facts.

    3. Forming a task force to apprehend wildland arsonists is a good idea. I hope they have included prosecutors so that the cases are investigated with a mindset towards presenting a sound case in the courtroom.

    4. Hopefully, you are not involved with the task force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc View Post
    So what? Maybe the Caudill brothers seemed credible and the Rangers did not. Maybe the storyline didn't add up, or the chronology was wrong. Or maybe the jury did believe the Rangers more, but took seriously the judge's instruction on the difference between preponderance of the evidence and proof beyond a reasonable doubt, and didn't believe the Rangers THAT MUCH more.


    That is an assertion, not a fact. Do you have any evidence that the members of this jury do not, in fact, view woods arson as a crime? If you do, post it. And then don't blame the jury, blame the state's atty. for allowing such a jury to be seated.


    OK. So? That doesn't mean this particular jury shared that mindset.



    The fact that woods arson in a problem in general does not mean that woods arson was committed in the specific instance.

    I'm willing to believe that the jury made a mistake; they frequently do. But you need to tell us what exactly their mistake was.
    Sorry counselor. I replied w/o reading your post. I guess we have an issue where we agree, huh?

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    I was searching to see if the trial transcript might have been posted on line (no such luck -- once in a while my local newspaper will scan in a copy and post it for controversial local trials, which is interesting to read!) -- but I did find the article below.

    I don't think it'll be new news to George, and hopefully Cold's gotten his point about jumping to conclusions (even very educated guesses ).

    For those not familiar with problems in parts of the old, deep south it's a good refresher of the fustrations down there:

    http://www.harlandaily.com/articles/...s/news9156.txt

    Firefighters busy around county; Arson suspected as cause of several brush fires in area

    By JENNIFER McDANIELS - Staff Writer
    Wednesday, March 14, 2007 4:19 AM EDT

    In the midst of the smoke that is starting to settle over Harlan County, the Kentucky State Police have started an arson investigation into the fire that damaged an AT&T hub station in Cawood on Sunday night, causing hundreds to lose phone service in the community.

    Cawood's brush fire is one of several that have erupted in Harlan County. While officials say it isn't as bad as what's been reported in other parts of southeastern Kentucky, including Bell County, the potential still exists for forest fires to run rampant in Harlan.

    Fire trucks, with their squealing sirens and blazing lights, were a frequent sight on many Harlan County roads Tuesday, with local fire stations keeping busy responding to brush fires.

    Sunshine Volunteer Fire Department Chief Jack Lundy could barely catch his breath during a quick telephone interview late Tuesday night. He and his men had been at it all day.

    "They're running us to death," Lundy said. "And while we were in the mountains tonight, fighting the fires, we heard other departments get paged out in Harlan and Bell counties. It's everywhere."

    The Sunshine crew has been kept busy working forest fires at Teetersville and Catrons Creek. But what most aggravates Lundy is that several fires appear to have been set.


    "It's arson," he said. "People are setting them. A couple of the fires we worked were set halfway up the mountain. I think it's these boys riding four-wheelers."

    A forest fire that raged in Catrons Creek on Tuesday got uncomfortably close to Stacey Madon's home. Her husband and some members of her family had to fight the fire until members of the Sunshine Fire Department responded to the scene.

    "It got about 100 yards from my house," Madon said.. "At about 8 p.m., I saw two little puffs of smoke, then in no time, it just got closer."

    Madon also said her family saw 4-wheeler tracks near the sites where the fires were set.

    "It's pathetic if all they have to do is go around setting fires that threaten people's property," she said.

    Lundy said he planned to petition Harlan County Judge-Executive Joe Grieshop to ban all four wheelers from the mountains until the county receives some rain or the state Department of Forestry can send in fighters to help alleviate the situation.

    "It's real dry," Lundy said. "All we can do is cut a line and hope it don't jump it when we respond to these fires. As dry as it is, I just hope these fires don't jump."

    Dan Mosley, Harlan County's emergency 911 coordinator, gave an update on the phone service outage in Cawood on Tuesday afternoon, stating that AT&T representatives were "working diligently" with the Kentucky State Police in its arson investigation.

    "Their working to find the person or persons responsible for setting that fire and causing all this inconvenience to the residents," Mosley said. "They are encouraging anyone who may have information about the fire to contact KSP."

    The mobile satellite radio unit that had to be set up in the community on Monday still remains at the Fast and Friendly Mart to provide emergency communication for the area, but Mosley said AT&T representatives have been continually working on site.

    "Technicians are working now through Wednesday to get the service restored," he said. "It's very possible that some of the phone service will be restored as early as Tuesday night. AT&T is hoping that the majority of the residents will have phone service restored by today and all phone service completely restored by Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    1. The State's responsibility is to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Not to make someone more believable than someone else. If the State does not prove the case, the jury has no option but to acquit. If you were the defendant, you would want (and would be legally entitled to) nothing less.

    2. You have no idea what the mindset of the members of the jury was. You see, it is the jury's responsibility to look at a case impartially, and make judgements based solely on facts.

    3. Forming a task force to apprehend wildland arsonists is a good idea. I hope they have included prosecutors so that the cases are investigated with a mindset towards presenting a sound case in the courtroom.

    4. Hopefully, you are not involved with the task force.
    Sorry George I am part of that task force.

    Arsonist go free every day in Kentucky due to poor investigation,lack of law enforcement.The son of ***** need their arms cut off.
    You almost have to catch them with the match there hand.

    Then a good old boy jury will most likely still set them free.

    George I glad your looking out for the defendants rights.Sorry I dont share your impartially jury theory.Welcome the mountains of Kentucky.

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    The real Kentucky Justice system!

    Try to present Arson cases in the middle of this crap!Judges,County Attorney and other locals office holders go to jail.This trial was moved from Bath County.The feds know that a local good old boy jury would have cut their buds lose.

    Bath judge-executive quits after vote-buying conviction

    Not Guilty Plea in Bath County Vote Buying Scandal

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    Charles “Chuck” Hart pleaded not guilty to eight federal charges Tuesday afternoon at U.S. District Court in Lexington. A judge set his trial date for May 22nd. Hart is charged with three counts of buying votes, two counts of lying to federal agents, one count of endeavoring to influence a jury and one count of obstruction to justice. Hart faces a maximum of 45 years in prison and $2 Million in fines, if found guilty on all charges.

    Hart, Paul Goodpaster and former Bath County Attorney Donald “Champ” Maze are accused of conspiring to tamper with the jury selected to hear Maze’s trial in February in U.S. District Court. The indictment alleges Goodpaster recorded the juror numbers while he was a spectator in U.S. v. Donald Maze. Later the report states one of the conspirators pulled the juror information forms from a stack of papers. The next day Maze, Goodpaster and Hart reportedly met at Goodpaster’s Owingsville office to discuss how to contact one or more of the jurors in what the court alleges was an attempt to influence the juror’s opinion. With the other two men in the room, Hart then called the employer of one of the jurors and asked him “what kind of person” the juror was.

    The F.B.I. soon became aware of the conspiracy and sent two different agents to ask Hart about the juror list. On both occasions, the indictment says Hart knowingly lied to authorities. He also allegedly tried to get another woman to lie for him and prevent investigators from obtaining information.

    Hart remains free on his own recognizance and told Action News 36,”I was just working on an election, I got accused of stuff I didn’t do you know.” Both Hart and his attorney, Bill Johnson, are confident Hart will be cleared of these charges. Johnson said, “In a lot of courthouses you have a lot of people who are accused of very serious offenses. I think Chuck is just one of those that’s accused. But thank goodness we have a trial in a courthouse where they have to prove guilt.”

    Bath judge-executive quits after vote-buying conviction

    By Joe Biesk
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    Bath County Judge-Executive Walter Shrout followed a federal court order to resign yesterday after his conviction for conspiring to buy votes in last year's primary election.

    Shrout, convicted Friday of conspiracy and other charges, submitted a one-sentence resignation letter to Gov. Ernie Fletcher. He said it was effective as of noon yesterday, the deadline set by U.S. District Judge Joseph Hood.



    "I have no choice," he said in a telephone interview.

    Shrout, 54, a Sharpsburg Democrat, also was convicted of obstruction of justice and making false statements to a federal agent.

    Fletcher is likely to appoint a replacement within 30 days, a spokesman said. A special election, in which voters would pick someone to serve the remainder of Shrout's term, would be held in November.

    Shrout, who was indicted in November, is facing a maximum fine of $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison when he is sentenced July 9. He was one of 12 people indicted in connection with a federal vote-fraud investigation.

    With Shrout's departure from county government, three elected offices in Bath County are vacant.

    Property Valuation Administrator Paul Goodpaster died in February. And Hood ordered Bath County Attorney Donald "Champ" Maze to resign after he pleaded guilty -- on the fifth day of his trial -- to paying three people up to $200 to vote for him in the primary.

    Maze is facing a maximum $250,000 fine and up to five years in prison when he is sentenced May 7.

    Shrout won a three-way primary in May 2006, getting 2,677 votes, 1,516 more than second-place finisher Mike Swartz, according to the Bath County clerk's office. Swartz also pleaded guilty to vote buying.

    Commissioner Billy Martin, a Sharpsburg Democrat, said he and the two other county commissioners met yesterday and decided that they would run the county until Fletcher appoints a successor to Shrout.
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    Sorry counselor. I replied w/o reading your post. I guess we have an issue where we agree, huh?
    It was bound to happen eventually. I don't have knid thoughts about lawyers who blame the jury when things don't go their way.

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    I don’t often raise points, but I would agree with the points made, if a jury found them innocent, we have to accept that. Jury bashing is not appropriate what so ever, while I defend you right to be angry, its probably not a good thing going down that road.

    Jurors are not stupid individual, and id rather provide evidence to a well educated jury away from local influence…why? If you as an investigator acts professionally, good science and verification and so on, a well educated jury will do their jobs…Id rather that than the prosecution going “great we have them” and not ask all the hard question…this can lead to appeals, it takes time wasting energy going over all your evidence from the past, waiting around courts etc, and you make one variation, because you cant remember something the defense is going to have you.

    I mean professional, I mean I treat the accused, prosecution or who ever it is with the same respect of the judge. Its my opinion that im there to provide good factual evidence, not win a case, that’s not my job. I also don’t care if my evidence affects either case for or against…we are there to provide facts, I don’t hate arsonists, what’s the point in blowing your cool, getting emotional and possibly making mistakes from it.

    If the defendants win, perhaps like other posts suggest it may be a weak case, if that was the case, go back and revisit your own mistakes and learn from them, don’t blame…and for the record, I have worked all sides of the fence, licensed as such and have a list of qualifications that is too long. This is based on spending 18 years in related fields including fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donkinoz View Post
    I don’t often raise points, but I would agree with the points made, if a jury found them innocent, we have to accept that. Jury bashing is not appropriate what so ever, while I defend you right to be angry, its probably not a good thing going down that road.

    Jurors are not stupid individual, and id rather provide evidence to a well educated jury away from local influence…why? If you as an investigator acts professionally, good science and verification and so on, a well educated jury will do their jobs…Id rather that than the prosecution going “great we have them” and not ask all the hard question…this can lead to appeals, it takes time wasting energy going over all your evidence from the past, waiting around courts etc, and you make one variation, because you cant remember something the defense is going to have you.

    I mean professional, I mean I treat the accused, prosecution or who ever it is with the same respect of the judge. Its my opinion that im there to provide good factual evidence, not win a case, that’s not my job. I also don’t care if my evidence affects either case for or against…we are there to provide facts, I don’t hate arsonists, what’s the point in blowing your cool, getting emotional and possibly making mistakes from it.

    If the defendants win, perhaps like other posts suggest it may be a weak case, if that was the case, go back and revisit your own mistakes and learn from them, don’t blame…and for the record, I have worked all sides of the fence, licensed as such and have a list of qualifications that is too long. This is based on spending 18 years in related fields including fire.
    Dear
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    Ok professional ? I hate arsonist! After you carrying a couple good friends and fellow firefighters to their final resting place you get a little fed up with the bull****!
    Always a day late and a dollar short!

    Hillbilly Irish!

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