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    Angry NEW ORLEANS FD: $19K a year?

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    New Orleans Fire Department Looks to Boost Manpower

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    With 114 fewer members since Hurricane Katrina, the New Orleans Fire Department kicked off a campaign Monday to recruit firefighters to the department.

    The chief of the NOFD said the department needs at least 114 new recruits to help replenish its staff.

    "We're looking for men, women, Hispanics, Vietnamese -- anyone who wants to come in," Chief Norman Woodridge said.

    NOFD numbers dwindled after Hurricane Katrina and during the rebuilding process. Because of the shortage, four-man rigs now have just three people.

    "Being that one person down means a lot," Woodridge said. "We're sending extra companies out to respond to large incidents, so we're up in manpower with that, but we do need to increase supply on these rigs."

    Starting pay for firefighters is just more than $19,000, which is below the national average.

    The fire department will be conducting test for recruits Wednesday, April 4 and April 11.

    Applications are available at City Hall in Room 7W03.
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    I know that none of us become firefighter's to become WEALTHY, but how does one live off of $19K a year? That is not enough money for one person to survive on let alone if you have a family to support. My hat is off to those NOLA FF's for being able to do the job on so little money being paid to them.

    NOLA FF's, I'd like to hear from you on this topic.

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    Geez, and I thought we had it bad at ~$25,000...
    These are my opinions, not those of my career department, my volunteer company, or my affiliates. And by the way, I'm not a Junior.

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    Wow a whole 19k a year, now the brothers can live large.



    Anyone wanna bet they blame Bush for the low wages?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZFF25 View Post
    I know that none of us become firefighter's to become WEALTHY, but how does one live off of $19K a year? That is not enough money for one person to survive on let alone if you have a family to support. My hat is off to those NOLA FF's for being able to do the job on so little money being paid to them.

    NOLA FF's, I'd like to hear from you on this topic.

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    while I don't know the specifics, cost of living has to be taken into effect when considering the wage.

    Further, the 19K a year might be the recruit salary, while those that complete the initial training and probationary period get a large step up when they were making before.
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    From their web page.

    With that low entrance salary they are sure to get a lot of slugs and folks that will not enhance that department!! Thanks to da mayor there they will never hire any one good or keep them with low pay!

    Come up into Virginia where the starting pay is about $35,000 a year!!! better work conditions and hours.


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    Civil Service application desk
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    WHEN YOU APPLY YOU WILL NEED:


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    March 28, 2007 1:00 PM April 11, 2007 1:00 PM


    TRAINING ACADEMY
    Training is conducted @ the Municipal Training Academy 13400 Old Gentilly Rd. Fire Recruits attend a 16 week paid training program conducted by the New Orleans Fire Department. Daily physical exercises are scheduled and practical applications of fire ground activities are coordinated. Theoretical, and practical, applications of Fire Safety, Fire Behavior, Fire Apparatus Hydraulics, HAZ MAT, and First Responder are also a part of the curriculum. Upon successful completion of the training academy, recruits serve a (1) one year probationary period of field training with different fire companies.

    WORK SCHEDULE
    Fire fighters work a rotating schedule of 24 / 48. The assigned day starts @ 0700 Hrs. and ends the following day @ 0700 Hrs. The following (2) days they are off duty, and are scheduled to return on the 3rd day.

    FIRE FIGHTERS ENTRANCE SALARY: 19,896.00

    FOR INFORMATION REGARDING RECRUITMENT CALL:
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    $19K and a 56 hour work week?!?

    The cost of living in NO can't possibly be low enough to make that worthwhile...
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    I'll bet you that they get at least 100 applications for every job. They will be turning people away.

    It's the law of supply and demand. If the city fathers ever figured out that they could get thousands of applications for city fire departments, even if they offered those jobs at minimum wage, it would radically change the way these FD's hire. I guess that's a place where collective bargaining is a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrotech View Post
    i do it for free...just cause i love it.
    Sucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrotech View Post
    i do it for free...just cause i love it.
    Well take yourself down to New Orleans then, I bet mayor ragin will be glad to see you. Tell them you are a watertech that will impress them more.

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    so you have a problem with the fact that i do it cause i love to do it and not for the money. if that makes me a whacker then that makes every volunteer a whacker

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    I'll bet you that they get at least 100 applications for every job. They will be turning people away.

    It's the law of supply and demand. If the city fathers ever figured out that they could get thousands of applications for city fire departments, even if they offered those jobs at minimum wage, it would radically change the way these FD's hire. I guess that's a place where collective bargaining is a good thing.
    But you only have to look at the aftermath of Katrina to see the downside to under-valuing your personnel.

    Many good men and women did stick around, but a lot of folks from all branches of the emergency services bailed out, some very ungracefully. And we don't even need to talk about the various "videos" that came out.
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    George summed it up perfectly.

    Capt, I guess I take exception to that comment as well. Perhaps that is not the way you meant to say it.

    I am a volunteer or paid-on-call depending on the day, but it so happens that for my "real" job with the power company, I get compensated with a salary comparable to most battalion chiefs. However, I like my job so much that I would also do it for free, just like I am willing to fight fire for free (though I now get paid for that, too).

    If I *could* do it for free - afford to, that is - I would. But, I can't. I have a family to support. So I don't get too broken up that both jobs give me a check. I am one of the luckiest guys in the world to get to do two jobs I really enjoy and make a good living at the same time.

    Being willing to do it for free does not make one a whacker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hydrotech View Post
    so you have a problem with the fact that i do it cause i love to do it and not for the money. if that makes me a whacker then that makes every volunteer a whacker
    No... it does not make every volunteer a "whacker"... but by the very fact you posted on a thread about the NOFD seeking recruits and touting "you do it for free and love it" does make you an "excremental mixology specialist".

    Back to the topic... please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    Back to the topic... please!
    Point taken. Thank you Gonz.
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    well on that note then maybe the tax payers don't have a whole lot of money after rebuilding costs has this been their rate fot a while now or just after katrina? maybe the residants don't have fatih in their personnel after they had witnessed alot of them "bail" and are not willing. just my thoughts

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    Taking eveything that I can think of, looking for more info, and comparing different departments, N.O. FFs are woefully underpaid. Now, my starting salary at my first Career FF job, in 1962, was $5,600/Yr. for 24 on, 24 off, 72hr week. Gas was $0.32/gal. and you could by a loaf of bread AND a quart of Milk, and get change back from your Dollar Bill. In 1965 I changed jobs, went to $7,800/yr, and a 50 hour work week. I worked until my 20 year retirement kicked in in 1985. My current retirement is twice N.O. starting pay......... How can anyone work down there, under those conditions?
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    Just to put it in perspective, NOFD is offering $6.52 per hour for entry level firefighters.

    You can work at Popeye's in NO for about the same wage or better...

    Minimum wage is just slightly less at $5.15 per hour and there is legislation underway to boost it to $7.25.
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    On the other hand, hiring these 100+ recruits will bring them up to pre-Katrina staffing levels in a city that has lost 40% of its population. Maybe they should adjust their staffing levels, which would enable them to move the salary upward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by randsc View Post
    On the other hand, hiring these 100+ recruits will bring them up to pre-Katrina staffing levels in a city that has lost 40% of its population. Maybe they should adjust their staffing levels, which would enable them to move the salary upward.
    You should try and work in 95 degree heat for practically nothing before you open your mouth. I was there and they need all the members they can get!

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    This looks like one of those cases where they're likely to get what they paid for. What a disservice to the NOFD and all those who served selflessly in that city's darkest hours!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    You should try and work in 95 degree heat for practically nothing before you open your mouth. I was there and they need all the members they can get!
    Which part of my statement do you deny the truth of?

    If it is a choice between pre-Katrina staffing levels but with low-quality recruits, or adjusted staffing levels that reflect the new size of the city but with higher quality recruits, then it is not obvious to me that quantity is to be preferred to quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeputyMarshal View Post
    Just to put it in perspective, NOFD is offering $6.52 per hour for entry level firefighters.

    You can work at Popeye's in NO for about the same wage or better...

    Minimum wage is just slightly less at $5.15 per hour and there is legislation underway to boost it to $7.25.
    Atleast if you worked at Popeye's you'd know you'd be coming home at the end of the day..This is BS. Didn't the mayor try to back door them and not renew their contract or something? I remember reading something about it but I don't remember 100%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    You should try and work in 95 degree heat for practically nothing before you open your mouth. I was there and they need all the members they can get!

    That was uncalled for. He didn't post a single word that would have prompted your rudeness. In fact, he has a great point. You owe him an apology.

    If you went from a city of X00,000 to a city of X0,000, adjusting your deployment and staffing to meet that dramatic change would quite possibly allow you to get some of your engines up to 4 members again. There is also a real possibility that by changing the deployment and staffing, you could compensate the people who are there and were loyal to the NOFD.

    Of course, we haven't seen one person in NO who was the slightest bit of a leader, so I wouldn't expect too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dday05 View Post
    Atleast if you worked at Popeye's you'd know you'd be coming home at the end of the day..This is BS. Didn't the mayor try to back door them and not renew their contract or something? I remember reading something about it but I don't remember 100%.
    This is not BS. This is the city getting exactly the level of fire protection that they are willing to pay for.

    Low pay in NO has been going on for years and years. There was an FOP boycott of NO for a long time to protest the low pay and shabby treatment the NOPD was getting.

    The only way to change this in the short term is for no one to go down there and take the jobs. But we all know that will never happen. Right now, there are hundreds of whackers talking about going down there to take the test. They would take the job for $10,000 a year with no benefits and we all know that. That is not an insult, that is a fact of life.

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