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    How old do the scba's need to be before they will consider funding new ones?

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    10+. Anything less is upgradeable.

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    Not exactly. We got a grant in '05 for SCBA's and we had several that were only 5 years old at the time. The main thing we demonstrated was that we had such a wide range of models and styles (some MMR's and some BMR's), and that we wanted all our SCBA's to be uniform to simplify maintenance and training. Plus all the new ones now have integrated PASS and heads up display, and RIT connections, all of which our older ones lacked.
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    I think he was looking for what would be competitive now, and 5 year old SCBA is not going to be coming close to getting replaced this year.

    And the question on yours is if you said that some were only 5 years old or if you skirted that issue in the narrative and marked the age of 5 in the statistics. If you did, you got lucky that they didn't strip 5 off the count or lost points to the level of missing the award. Technically they weren't compliant either, but replacement vs upgrade on 5 y/o SCBA is a major cost-benefit difference. Plus 2007 is a whole new game, nothing that worked in the past is any indicator of what will happen moving forward.

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    Some ammo that you can use, especially if your SCBA are over 15 years old.

    Per NFPA 1500:

    NFPA 1500 states, “Open-circuit SCBA that does not meet the 1992 or later editions of NFPA 1981 shall be removed from fire service” (NFPA, 2007, 1500-7.11.1.2).

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    Does anyone have or know where to look for narratives for approved grants for SCBA's ?

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    www.firegraphics.org, Grants link. I think I have a couple out there.

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    Whats the thought of the new guidelines for the scba's later this year? Will that mess up the grants? I was told roughly $1000.00 more per pack could be added on.

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    The new guidelines are in place so there will be no applications approved for 2002 compliant SCBA, so don't ask for them. More importantly, don't ask for the price based on the 2002 price. Every manufacturer is up $1000-1500 over the 2002 compliant pack price. Aim high, but don't be ridiculous with it, ie, put down the pipe if you find yourself typing $7000.

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    So what your saying is to write for the 2007 specs?

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    Yep. You can only apply for equipment compliant with the current NFPA standard and since February the 2007 edition of 1981 has been in effect. 2002 compliant SCBA apps will get tossed since that is no longer the current standard. Same with PPE without the DRD since that's the current standard also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    www.firegraphics.org, Grants link. I think I have a couple out there.
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    Thanks for that link. It is great and I think will be very helpgful for our department. We are also looking at applying for a grant for SCBAs.

    Have a nice day.

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    The department I work for has VERY old packs. Most don't even hold air. The chief said he applied for a grant a month ago and hasn't heard anything :shruggs:
    They need them BAD.

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    Not sure any grants were open a month ago unless you have a state one.

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    BC79er,

    Thank you for the link and other information on the SCBA, all will be useful.

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    Can anyone share a successfull narrative for SCBA? If you are willing, please email to: vadformula44@yahoo.com

    Thanks for your help...

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    I would also appreciate any help with succesful sample narratives for scba's. This is my first grant writing attempt. If any one can help out, please e-mail to jhamm@tollesonaz.org


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    Jeff, I'm the free grant resource for the vendor that's out servicing your packs right now. Drop me an email and I'll help you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BC79er View Post
    The new guidelines are in place so there will be no applications approved for 2002 compliant SCBA, so don't ask for them. More importantly, don't ask for the price based on the 2002 price. Every manufacturer is up $1000-1500 over the 2002 compliant pack price. Aim high, but don't be ridiculous with it, ie, put down the pipe if you find yourself typing $7000.
    Under $7K for complete SCBA (45 min) with spair bottle and face piece?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not2L84U2 View Post
    Under $7K for complete SCBA (45 min) with spair bottle and face piece?

    I would be looking at more like 5500-6500max.
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    45s & 60s will be closer to $7K but still wouldn't put it down. $5500 was the limit last year on 45min so with the extra grand on 2007 compliance packs it's going to be right around $6500 minimum on those.

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    obey kaybee.....sounds reasonable to me!

    So next question. Five packs are 5 years old and 8 are 20+ y/o. Was originally going to upgrade the 5 and replace the 8, but the 5 are 2216 and everyone else around is going to 4500. So should you replace all 13 and say that you wanted to upgrade but thought it would be a waste to not be interoperable?

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    Would ward off the question of why you aren't upgrading. But may beg the unasked question of why if everyone else is 4500 around you were those packs not bought as 2216s since they are just 5 years old. While I can think of many reasons why (along with anyone else that's been in the fire service for more than 15 minutes), Peer can't assume things that aren't in black and white in front of them. Painfully obvious is how narratives have to be.

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    So simply state that they started to replace thier SCBA 5 years ago and the trend then was 2216 and so in wanting to stay interoperable then, they decided to stick with the 2216, but now in the past couple years, others around them have began to upgrade to 4500 and while they would like to upgrade the 5 they have, it would not allow them to be interoperable....or something along those lines anyway...with a lot greater details.

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