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    I don't think anyone here will belittle the fact that PTSD exists, or how debilitating it can be.
    But to think that you are going to suffer from PTSD because you saw somebody yelled at is ludicrous.
    ndvfdff33, you comments are not even worth replying to. They are exactly what I would expect from an elitist who speaks like an expert on something they know nothing about. Since the US has been carrying your candy asses since the 2nd world war, I'll just say this, you are welcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    Your statement makes no sense. Of course they are, but what does that have to do with anything?
    The way I read his origional comment it just seemed to me for some reason that he was referring to 9/11.

    You are correct. There should not be a war anywhere in the world, yet there are dozens of wars and conflicts throughout the world. This is why we have the Marine Corps.
    You completely avoided what was clearly the idea behind my comment. Obviously nobody likes war, but I was stating specifically that I don't think there should be one in Iraq.

    F@ck the UN. Useless organization. Never has doen a damned thing for anything.
    Its useless because its run by the US. The US is such a superpower that I don't even know why there is a UN. The US will do things with or without its support anyway.

    It shows. Or you would know that every man and woman who has graduated from the Marine Corps Recruit Depot at Parris Island, SC or San Diego, CA has earned that most wonderful title and privilege......To call themselves "Marine."
    Im glad it shows. To being able to call yourself a marine the most "Wonderful privilege" is such an arrogant thing to say its sickening. Anyone who is a marine is no better than me being a part time, probational firefighter, oy my dad who prints CDs for companies or my friend who is a manager at a retail store. The egotistic manner at how you seemingly put yourself and other marines above others is sickening.

    Consider yourself corrected. Twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    I don't think anyone here will belittle the fact that PTSD exists, or how debilitating it can be.
    But to think that you are going to suffer from PTSD because you saw somebody yelled at is ludicrous.
    ndvfdff33, you comments are not even worth replying to. They are exactly what I would expect from an elitist who speaks like an expert on something they know nothing about. Since the US has been carrying your candy asses since the 2nd world war, I'll just say this, you are welcome.
    Actually I think the article said something about belittling the fact that a member of his platoon had died? And ya, I'd likely take exception to that too. Oh wait. NO I WOULD take exception. Been in those shoes myself. Reprimands in my favour were written.

    As for "carrying your candy asses"...... as a Professional Canadian Soldier, I am required to take offence to that. As I do the comment about being "enlisted". I could go on and write for hours about what I think about several "officers" and "Ring-Knockers" in particular, having worked for, with, above, and around them for my entire career.

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    Im glad it shows. To being able to call yourself a marine the most "Wonderful privilege" is such an arrogant thing to say its sickening.
    Exactly what one would expect of someone who has never proven themselves, put something ahead of their own selfish gains, or knows the meaning of sacrifice.
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    As for "carrying your candy asses"...... as a Professional Canadian Soldier, I am required to take offense to that.
    As well you should, shows integrity and a sense of duty on your part. That I respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcaldwell View Post
    He just wanted the government to pay for his college, housing, food, clothing, holidays, pension, and entertainment, all in exchange for his willingness to serve his country in a fancy uniform like on the commercial.
    Or he just got caught up in the wave after 9/11 like so many others. Only, in his case, he signed a recruitment contract before the wave subsided and couldn't just go back to doing what he was doing on 9/10 like most people.

    Remember, we're talking about the enlistment decision of an 18 y/o kid. 18 y/o's have never been notable for their foresight.

    Recruiters are paid to take advantage of that lack of foresight, it's their job and there was no shortage of amped up teenagers to harvest in the months following 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    As well you should, shows integrity and a sense of duty on your part. That I respect.
    Thank you. I really didnt want to get into a war of sterio typing. Then I'd have to open up a second computer to work both keyboards simultaneously, since thats the only way to effectively type in stereo. But then that shouldn't be too difficult for me, I am a Finance and Adminstrative Specialist, after all.
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    OlieCan, you'd get more respect around here without crap like this...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    Exactly what one would expect of someone who has never proven themselves, put something ahead of their own selfish gains, or knows the meaning of sacrifice.
    As someone who knows little, or nothing about me, thats a pretty stupid things to say.

    Doesn't starting a life devoting myself to helping the public in Fire/EMS count for anything? What selfish gains of my own am I putting above others? You're simply throwing ignorant meaningless crap around like you know anything about me. You know nothing of me, or my past.
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    To being able to call yourself a marine the most "Wonderful privilege" is such an arrogant thing to say its sickening.


    Just to put a slight twist on this..... would it also be "arrogant" and "sickening" to have the Wonderful privilage to be called "Firefighter"? Or "Paramedic"?

    If so, then I guess I fall under that heading too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    OlieCan, you'd get more respect around here without crap like this...

    60 GB Sony Playstation 3 with 3 games and extra controller for $650 shipped to your door - Email Oliecan@hotmail.com if interested.

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    as your signature.
    As much as I don't understand at all how me trying to sell something at a good price makes me any less credible, I will town it down with the colors and font size for you, but it will stay there, because someone might want it. I'd rather give it to someone here who wants it than put it on ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
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    Just to put a slight twist on this..... would it also be "arrogant" and "sickening" to have the Wonderful privilage to be called "Firefighter"? Or "Paramedic"?

    If so, then I guess I fall under that heading too.
    I think you misunderstood what I was saying.

    Do I think Marines (I even capitalized it this time) are professionals, and do I thank them for their service, Yes (although a lot of times I don't agree with their mission, but its not always their fault)

    Am I proud of being a firefighter? You're damn right.

    What I am saying is that its arrogant for him to put himself or other Marines as the best thing in the world. Im proud of being a firefighter, but I don't put myself above others as it seems he does. Im no better than the janitor cleaning up **** on the floor. Things need to be done. I respect anyone doing what they can to make a living, and support a family and trying to be happy with their life. I was lucky enough to get into a profession that I love greatly, and I enjoy going to work, not everyone is that fortunate, but as I said before, I try not to put myself above others because of my profession.
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    What selfish gains of my own am I putting above others?
    Gee, I don't know, just maybe the obvious SPAM in your signature?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    Gee, I don't know, just maybe the obvious SPAM in your signature?
    I didn't know it was that selfish to sell something for a greatly discounted price...

    If it bothers you that much turn signatures off, or block my user name. As of now its taking up about 1 line of space, and you don't need to read it. Stop crying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPFDRum View Post
    Gee, I don't know, just maybe the obvious SPAM in your signature?
    Point of order: By convention and concensus as old as "the internet" itself, signatures have always been "fair game" for otherwise off-topic material as long as the body of the message is on-topic and non-trivial. As long as the sig isn't too big or too blatantly obscene (and that doesn't always matter), it's okay. Consider it an electronic bumper sticker.

    (Besides, if you tell one poster that s/he shouldn't put any ads in his/her sig, you have to tell them all the same. There's more than one regular poster here with retail links in their sigs...)
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    Well, Olie, like it or not, argee or not, Marines and I am including ALL Marines: US and British (and anyone else out there who carries them in their OrBatt) are of a very similar breed, because they come from the same traditions. A very old and very hard fought line of traditions, and for better or for worse, there is a very fierce pride in the distinction.

    Through my military service I have had the honour in most cases of meeting many. Howerver, I have also met many that very dearly deserved the name "Jarhead". And those individuals were the empitomy of arrogance. Was the arrogance a byproduct of becoming a Marine? Who knows. If you listen to my Mother, she would put me in the same classification. She said so right from the day I graduated from Basic. Actually, "Military $sshole" is the phrase she used. But then she's never been very happy that I chose this profession.

    So I guess what I'm trying to say is Some Days Ya Find A real Winner and Some Days Ya Find A Real Whinner.
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    I knew a guy in the Navy that got ordered to active duty because he missed too many drill periods.I never found out why he missed them,though.
    He must have decided that he liked it after all because 2 years ago,he got out a BMCS(Sw)Craftmaster-that translates to Senior Chief Bosun's Mate,Enlisted Surface Warfare Qualified and he also ran a tug for the Navy.
    Just like my shipmate did 22 years ago,this concientious objector freely joined up,took the money on payday and wore the uniform.
    That sorta gives the USMC the right to tell him where to go and what to do.If he hadn't figured that by the end of basic training,he probably was what I call a "quota recruit",meaning someone the recruiter got in with some deficiency just to meet his quota for that month.
    He came about deciding to be a concientious objector rather late in his hitch for me to have sympathy for him.He needs to do his time and get out.
    Just because he is a "USMCR"doesn't mean that he cannot be sent overseas.The National Guard and Air National Guard are Reserve components of the US Army and US Air Force which are just as subject to overseas deployment as an active duty unit.
    Just what did he think the Corps was teaching him how to use infantry weapons for,anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MalahatTwo7 View Post
    Actually I think the article said something about belittling the fact that a member of his platoon had died? And ya, I'd likely take exception to that too. Oh wait. NO I WOULD take exception. Been in those shoes myself. Reprimands in my favour were written.

    As for "carrying your candy asses"...... as a Professional Canadian Soldier, I am required to take offence to that. As I do the comment about being "enlisted". I could go on and write for hours about what I think about several "officers" and "Ring-Knockers" in particular, having worked for, with, above, and around them for my entire career.

    Education and gold bars do not make a great leader.

    Education, experience, common sense, professional courtesy and loyalty to the troops go a long way to building a great leader.

    That makes two of us who take offence too the "carrying our candy asses".

    Good Post though Malahat


    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie
    And we want nothing to do with people who are not willing to give of themselves, have no love of freedom and are not willing to die for it - or their friends. Never said you should join. But you show that you lack any true understanding of military service (let alone serving as a Marine) by your comments. You show your own ignorance of the matter.
    First off I would give myself for my nation and I'm more than prepared too do so when called upon. Sure I may not know much about this "super powerfull" marines but I do have an understanding of military service. I guess I come from a country that chooses other ways too train their members too a high standard, without standing there right in their face and telling them s**t like their going too kill them if they don't get out of their face or calling them every name in the book. Thats a total load of bulls**t that it will make them any better of a soldier if their put under pressure during war times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    First off I would give myself for my nation and I'm more than prepared too do so when called upon. Sure I may not know much about this "super powerfull" marines but I do have an understanding of military service. I guess I come from a country that chooses other ways too train their members too a high standard, without standing there right in their face and telling them s**t like their going too kill them if they don't get out of their face or calling them every name in the book. Thats a total load of bulls**t that it will make them any better of a soldier if their put under pressure during war times.

    I agree with this.

    Same can be applied (in my case) at the fire station. There have been a few members who try and treat the probies like gargabe cause they are new, and they're probies, and then there are the guys who come up to me and say "Hey, you wanna learn something?" Of course I would.

    Im not a child. I don't need to be yelled at to understand something, or to get a point across to me. treat me like an adult, and you'll see see me progress into one hell of a firefighter.

    That technique the military has used always confused me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlieCan View Post
    I agree with this.

    Same can be applied (in my case) at the fire station. There have been a few members who try and treat the probies like gargabe cause they are new, and they're probies, and then there are the guys who come up to me and say "Hey, you wanna learn something?" Of course I would.

    Im not a child. I don't need to be yelled at to understand something, or to get a point across to me. treat me like an adult, and you'll see see me progress into one hell of a firefighter.

    That technique the military has used always confused me.
    Correction. You ARE a child. You act like a 2 year old.

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