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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    Correction. You ARE a child. You act like a 2 year old.

    Waaaaahhhhhh!!!!! Don't yell at me. I might get PTSD. Waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

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    Well said.

    I expect to be yelled at when it is called for. I, as man others are, don't respond well to yelling for no reason. It makes it much easier to learn in a non-threatening environment and at a place you want to be. Maybe you were raised differently, and maybe im just "soft", but I really don't give a s*** what you think or how you were raised. I will be nice to people until they give me a reason not to be. When Im a senior member of a department, there will never be a time when I yell at them, or treat them as less of a person because they're new. Its a stupid way of training, and being considerate is much more effective if you ask me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlieCan View Post
    Well said.

    I expect to be yelled at when it is called for. I, as man others are, don't respond well to yelling for no reason. It makes it much easier to learn in a non-threatening environment and at a place you want to be. Maybe you were raised differently, and maybe im just "soft", but I really don't give a s*** what you think or how you were raised. I will be nice to people until they give me a reason not to be. When Im a senior member of a department, there will never be a time when I yell at them, or treat them as less of a person because they're new. Its a stupid way of training, and being considerate is much more effective if you ask me.
    That is because you do not understand what other members, who have served in the Marines, have told you. They are not yelling at you because they get off on that type of behavior. Theya re yelling at you to indoctrinate you into stressful situations and to basically toughen you up. In your juvenile, PlayStation world, you don't have to be tough. You just have to know when to hit PAUSE to go get another bag of chips.

    But I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. You do not have the brains, spine opr testicles to be a Marine.

    PS: Just for the sake of total disclosure...I was never a Marine. But I admire the crap out of those who are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    That is because you do not understand what other members, who have served in the Marines, have told you. They are not yelling at you because they get off on that type of behavior. Theya re yelling at you to indoctrinate you into stressful situations and to basically toughen you up. In your juvenile, PlayStation world, you don't have to be tough. You just have to know when to hit PAUSE to go get another bag of chips.

    But I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. You do not have the brains, spine opr testicles to be a Marine.

    PS: Just for the sake of total disclosure...I was never a Marine. But I admire the crap out of those who are.

    I never said they get off on that type of behavior. I simply said I, as well as many others, don't respond to that type of training. I don't think "yelling at you" is really the same type of stressful situations as it would be if you're in a crossfire in the middle of nowhere. Where doesn't the training be being yelled at come into play in that situation? One hardly needs to be shouted at to "toughen up"

    I love how you just assume Im some kid who sits around playing video games all day and eating.

    Im 6'0" 171lbs and I hardly play games at all. (one of the main reasons I decided to sell it) I work a full time job, part time at the fire station, and go to class for 14 hours per week on top of that.

    I suppose persuing a career in firefighting makes me spineless. Just like all the other memebers on this site, I am a complete coward for choosing a career of charging into burning buildings to save others. Well said.

    Nice post though, you pretty much have every aspect of my life covered...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlieCan View Post
    I never said they get off on that type of behavior. I simply said I, as well as many others, don't respond to that type of training. I don't think "yelling at you" is really the same type of stressful situations as it would be if you're in a crossfire in the middle of nowhere. Where doesn't the training be being yelled at come into play in that situation? One hardly needs to be shouted at to "toughen up"

    I love how you just assume Im some kid who sits around playing video games all day and eating.

    Im 6'0" 171lbs and I hardly play games at all. (one of the main reasons I decided to sell it) I work a full time job, part time at the fire station, and go to class for 14 hours per week on top of that.

    I suppose persuing a career in firefighting makes me spineless. Just like all the other memebers on this site, I am a complete coward for choosing a career of charging into burning buildings to save others. Well said.

    Nice post though, you pretty much have every aspect of my life covered...

    You're my hero.

    Pursuing a career in the fire service doesn't make you spineless. It's YOU that makes you spineless.

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    Dude do you have a screw loose? Heaven forbid you ever get put in spot in a far off land with rounds coming down range at you. Will just tell the enemy to hold fire for a minute while I tell the FNG in a nice calm manner what he's doing wrong, or maybe I just scream at the top of my lungs seeing as how were in combat. Kind of like a 5 alarm fire with a firefighter down you'd probably get the same reaction. I am a Marine and I know first hand what it's like to be screamed at; big deal. The thing is there are not that may ways to teach New recruits how to handle combat and if they can't handle someone screaming in their ear or a little stress that the Drill intstructors can create than they probably won't fair to well in a fire fight.
    As for the CO Zabala or what ever his name is in my opinion give his ***** a Other than Honorable discharge. The Marines just like the fire service have that brotherhood and he let everyone of his fellow Marines down. It seems to me that Pre 9/11 some USMCR had this idea that they would never be deployed and were just in for the college money. But that changed post 9/11 when all the Reserve units were put up for deployment rotations, And now more than ever you got Marines that actually want to be there hence an all volintary service, no one was drafted. I was never a trigger happy Marine or an extremely violent person but all the training I recieved taught me one thing and that is not to hesitate when you got the shot. And I always new that the Marine to my left and to my right had my back. All I can say Is thank god he did'nt get another Marine Killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    That is because you do not understand what other members, who have served in the Marines, have told you. They are not yelling at you because they get off on that type of behavior. Theya re yelling at you to indoctrinate you into stressful situations and to basically toughen you up. In your juvenile, PlayStation world, you don't have to be tough. You just have to know when to hit PAUSE to go get another bag of chips.

    Once again. Thats crap. I've been on quite a few Military courses so far, mostly too prepare you for combat situations, and guess what we've been put into stressfull situations, that didn't call for some a**hole standing in your face uttering death threats at you etc. Getting yelled at and bitched out does not "toughen you up" as you put it. People screw up. Punish them physically or other ways. Not sit there and have 4 people absolutely rip them out and by the sounds of it make some resort too commiting suicide. In my mind if an instructor wants too sit there and rip people out for something, usually very minor too get them going, and it causes someone too commit suicide that a**hole should be held accountable. This whole toughening them up by yelling is a complete and udder crock of s**t. Plain and Simple


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuctkYYywZ0

    You mean too tell me the marines doesn't want too make every member of their force blood thirsty lunatics?? Bulls*it. Most militarys that ***** would be up on harassment charges up the wazoo. But I guess thats what makes the US Marineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees So great. Give me a break
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Once again. Thats crap. I've been on quite a few Military courses so far, mostly too prepare you for combat situations, and guess what we've been put into stressfull situations, that didn't call for some a**hole standing in your face uttering death threats at you etc. Getting yelled at and bitched out does not "toughen you up" as you put it. People screw up. Punish them physically or other ways. Not sit there and have 4 people absolutely rip them out and by the sounds of it make some resort too commiting suicide. In my mind if an instructor wants too sit there and rip people out for something, usually very minor too get them going, and it causes someone too commit suicide that a**hole should be held accountable. This whole toughening them up by yelling is a complete and udder crock of s**t. Plain and Simple


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuctkYYywZ0

    You mean too tell me the marines doesn't want too make every member of their force blood thirsty lunatics?? Bulls*it. Most militarys that ***** would be up on harassment charges up the wazoo. But I guess thats what makes the US Marineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees So great. Give me a break
    That's Marines with a capital M. You'd better be tough for the simple fact that if you get captured and become a POW, it will be a lot worse than what a drill instructor does. Being able to operate in a combat situation is a lot different than operating in the fire service. Until you've actually done it and been involved in more than a few HEAVY, CRAP FLYING firefights or dealt with a POW whose been there you're never going to understand what the purpose of the treatment is actually all about. I still think this guy was a KIA waiting to happen and the very unfortunate thing is that he probably would have taken a couple of REAL hard charging Marines with him. He deserves a DISHONORABLE DISCHARGE and nothing less.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLt1951 View Post
    That's Marines with a capital M. You'd better be tough for the simple fact that if you get captured and become a POW, it will be a lot worse than what a drill instructor does.
    Do I care if its Marines with a Captial M? No not really

    Like I said sitting there and completely insulting and just reaming people out doesn't do anybody good! It's not going too change the way you are and act if you become a POW and are being tortured. It's not going too make them any stronger. They're going too come across the way they're trained too be. Arrogant Killing Machines,only this time they're not going too be able too kill because chances are they're not going too have weapons or be able too get their hands on people. And whats that going too do. GET THEM KILLED!.


    This treatment will not aid them when it comes too a firefight? Are you kidding me?

    My country's troops have been in many different HEAVY,CRAP FLYING firefights as you call it and we've made out just fine, with half the number of casulties and deaths. And guess what. Our instructors do not sit there and utter death threats at them or do half the stuff these trolls do because they'd be up on charge STAT. So guess what. You don't need all this use bulls**t your troops are going through. Get over yourselves.

    Just a question FireLT how many years did you serve if you seem too know so much about the topics?
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    ndvfdff33,

    You're just never, ever going to get it but that's alright . I did 16 months in Nam from Oct "70" through Feb "72". So do I know and understand the concept and what it requires? Your damn right I do. Any other questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLt1951 View Post
    ndvfdff33,

    You're just never, ever going to get it but that's alright .
    Sure thing. I know nothing about anything military so I'm never going too get it. Keep on fightin the good fight trooper

    Quite frankly I don't give a damn what the Marines do really. Although I think they're training tactics are totally f**ked so be it. But if they wanna sit there and keep this way so be it. I'm not going too change it. I just hope I never have too work along side these tools when I'm in theatre. Better start prayin too the big man upstairs I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Sure thing. I know nothing about anything military so I'm never going too get it. Keep on fightin the good fight trooper

    Quite frankly I don't give a damn what the Marines do really. Although I think they're training tactics are totally f**ked so be it. But if they wanna sit there and keep this way so be it. I'm not going too change it. I just hope I never have too work along side these tools when I'm in theatre. Better start prayin too the big man upstairs
    You may very well have some knowledge about the military but I really doubt you have any combat experience or extensive knowledge of what it takes at all. They're praying that they would never have to have a brother like you next to them, so be happy with that.

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    Congratulations on your few military course and nerver getting yelled at give yourself a pat on the back. I think its funny that you can Pass judgement on My Marine Corps after wathcing a 3 minute video of a recruit getting yelled at. Getting yelled at is part of BOOTCAMP every new recruit knows this. don't speak on what you do not know, you don't see me going around knocking the Canuckeen Military do ya! Let me educate you! After boot camp you go to School of Infantry or Marine Combat training depending on what job you do otherwise known as an MOS (Military Ocupational specialty) If you go to SOI you might also go on to Machine Gunners Course or Mortarman's Couse and then depending on what you unit you go to you'll most likley will get to do 6 to 8 months of Pre deployment work ups and a possibility of advance courses depending on the qutoa's and the majority of the time you really don't get yelled at all that much unless your a complete screw up or just don't give a crap. Oh yeah I almost forgot to add all the propganda videos and the brain washing videos of death and destuction turning every last one us into crazy ***** blood thristy lunatic's who want nothing more than to kill women and children. Most the Marines I know take great pride in what they do. Most the Marines I know are Christians or serve some sort of God. Most the Marines I know will never ask opionated *********s to ever say thank you. They just do their jobs willingly For their God, Country, and Corps but most of all their fellow Marines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLt1951 View Post
    You may very well have some knowledge about the military but I really doubt you have any combat experience or extensive knowledge of what it takes at all. They're praying that they would never have to have a brother like you next to them, so be happy with that.
    I am quite. And your right I don't have much in the way of combat experiance but guess what everyone gets it in due time. Sorry for doubting your obviously stellar training techniques

    I'm gonna leave this stupid thread with just saying I hope everyone comes home. Best of luck too your serving members and stay safe

    Later
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    I am quite. And your right I don't have much in the way of combat experiance but guess what everyone gets it in due time. Sorry for doubting your obviously stellar training techniques

    I'm gonna leave this stupid thread with just saying I hope everyone comes home. Best of luck too your serving members and stay safe

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    This guy will go far.

    He loves to intentionally insult folks. Piece of work he is.

    Quite the respectful individual too. This thread got stupid because of your lack of respect, closed mindedness, speaking of things that you know nothing about, belittling others (while criticizing others for doing the same), and just making excuses for himself.

    Heaven forbid anyone get yelled at, picked on, chastized, or corrected in modern society. We should all be cumbaya, smoking dope, and spread love.

    I hope he is never offended by anyone posting on these threads. I'll be sure to remind him of his own intentional insults.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    I am quite. And your right I don't have much in the way of combat experiance but guess what everyone gets it in due time. Sorry for doubting your obviously stellar training techniques

    I'm gonna leave this stupid thread with just saying I hope everyone comes home. Best of luck too your serving members and stay safe

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    They aren't my training techniques. I was in the U.S. Army's 25th Infantry but I don't disagree with their training at all. The Army was no picnic by any means when I went through boot, similar tactics were used and I still consider it as a good training tool for combat. Those tools as you have so disparagingly described them as, are damn fine warriors. You learn one thing in combat. That you had better be a little more determined, dedicated, tough and vicious as your enemy or your not going to succeed in your operations, period. War is no place to be mister nice, it's no playground, it's no game, it's life or death.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuctkYYywZ0

    You mean too tell me the marines doesn't want too make every member of their force blood thirsty lunatics?? Bulls*it. Most militarys that ***** would be up on harassment charges up the wazoo. But I guess thats what makes the US Marineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees So great. Give me a break

    You just don't get it. That recruit had his azz chewed because he hesitated and in combat while going hand to hand...he would be dead. I knock an enemy down, I am not going to stop and move on just to be shot in the back....I am going to cave his skull in, then move on.

    Your "battles with half the casualties" comment is just plain assinine. Take in account...half the commitment too. The amount of major combat operations the USMC have been in far overshadows the Canadians, hense the reason for more casualties.

    I've worked along side Canadian troops...and never met one with your complete lack of knowledge in combat operations and training.

    Your harasement charges comment is testiment to how much of a tool you are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaSharkie View Post
    This guy will go far.

    He loves to intentionally insult folks. Piece of work he is.

    Quite the respectful individual too. This thread got stupid because of your lack of respect, closed mindedness, speaking of things that you know nothing about, belittling others (while criticizing others for doing the same), and just making excuses for himself.

    Heaven forbid anyone get yelled at, picked on, chastized, or corrected in modern society. We should all be cumbaya, smoking dope, and spread love.

    I hope he is never offended by anyone posting on these threads. I'll be sure to remind him of his own intentional insults.
    Thanks for the bi*ch session. If I really wanted that I would have gone and talked too my wife.

    Fine I'll admit flat out that I was wrong too pass judgement on s**t I don't know anything about. Sharkie Tell me you have you ever have done the same thing though in your time and yet your going chastize me for doing it? Don't sit here and act like your Mr. Perfect when I'm sure in reality your probably not. I'll be the first too admit I get carried away sometimes when heated sort of discussions come up, but the me on here and me when I'm in Uniform and working,or out and about can sometimes be totally different things which showed here.


    I have been yelled at many times during my career and in courses such as these basic trainings,soldier qualification and trades training courses and been on the verge of punching the guy standing infront of me. Infact I don't recall saying I have not been yelled at or insulted by senior members before. Not too the extent some of these guy go saying they'll kill him or calling him a pussy and faggot because he stopped fighting with the pugil sticks, but damn close. All I was trying too say is there are many different ways too train people in stressfull environments other than being in their face ripping them apart.

    And Vinnie I would never have any one brought up on harassment charges for saying something because truthfully all these courses are a game too see if you can handle stuff you will face. Now say one of our Sergent Majors or Officers heard an Instructor talking too a student in the ways I've listened too these instructors speak you can bet your sweet *** he'd be up on charges before he could say holy s**t


    So I do apologize if I offended any of you. I truly did not mean too if I did. Think of me what you want I'm done and once again I apologize
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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Once again. Thats crap. I've been on quite a few Military courses so far, mostly too prepare you for combat situations, and guess what we've been put into stressfull situations, that didn't call for some a**hole standing in your face uttering death threats at you etc. Getting yelled at and bitched out does not "toughen you up" as you put it. People screw up. Punish them physically or other ways. Not sit there and have 4 people absolutely rip them out and by the sounds of it make some resort too commiting suicide. In my mind if an instructor wants too sit there and rip people out for something, usually very minor too get them going, and it causes someone too commit suicide that a**hole should be held accountable. This whole toughening them up by yelling is a complete and udder crock of s**t. Plain and Simple


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuctkYYywZ0

    You mean too tell me the marines doesn't want too make every member of their force blood thirsty lunatics?? Bulls*it. Most militarys that ***** would be up on harassment charges up the wazoo. But I guess thats what makes the US Marineeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees So great. Give me a break

    You are helping me understand why the US Military is the primary Canadian national defense system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Thanks for the bi*ch session. If I really wanted that I would have gone and talked too my wife.
    I reiterate. How respectful.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Fine I'll admit flat out that I was wrong too pass judgement on s**t I don't know anything about.
    I only pointed that out to you at least twice and it took you this long to realize it?

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    Sharkie Tell me you have you ever have done the same thing though in your time and yet your going chastize me for doing it?
    Never said that I didn't. I was telling you that you were doing it and you were carrying on like you were not. Don't sit there and criticize me for telling you when you are in the wrong when you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Don't sit here and act like your Mr. Perfect when I'm sure in reality your probably not.
    Just where in the hell do you get this idea that you think I am better than anyone? I am quite the humble person. I only ask for the respect that an individual that has earned the title of Marine deserves - to have that title capitalized when one is referring to them. You are by no means the first one that I have corrected about this, and you will not be the last. If you consider that arrogance, then you are wrong.

    You need to take what I say at face value - albeit with an air of sarcasm often - as the vast majority on these boards take me.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    I'll be the first too admit I get carried away sometimes when heated sort of discussions come up, but the me on here and me when I'm in Uniform and working,or out and about can sometimes be totally different things which showed here.
    It did not show. You cannot let your anger, displeasure, or own biases EVER cloud your mind to affect your own actions in the manner in which you have done. It is something that we all need to work on.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    I have been yelled at many times during my career and in courses such as these basic trainings,soldier qualification and trades training courses and been on the verge of punching the guy standing infront of me.
    So long as you do not do it. You may not agree with the training styles, but they are proven effectivem and have been over the decades. It is society that has gotten soft, and it is not for the better personally. There is no way to make people think quickly, train them from becoming the selfish little pukes that most 18 year olds are (myself included oh so many years ago) and turn them into thinking of something other than themselves in 13 weeks.

    And you must recall something here. After 5 1/2 years of ongoing combat operations (with or without your support) many - if not most - of these Drill Instructors have seen combat, or lost many good friends to hostile actions. They have a very personal stake in turning this 18 year old kid into a team player.

    Because after a 2 or 4 year hitch at the Recruit Depots, these DIs will return to the Fleet and have a very good probability of serving with these young fire ****ers that they trained.

    And you can damned well bet that they want to have busted their @$$ to make sure that they are good to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    Infact I don't recall saying I have not been yelled at or insulted by senior members before. Not too the extent some of these guy go saying they'll kill him or calling him a pussy and faggot because he stopped fighting with the pugil sticks, but damn close.
    As Vinnie mentioned, there is a purpose to this. Believe it or not.

    These kids that want to be Marines know what they are getting into here. They accept this, and understand the purpose behind it. Even if you or the "Moms of America" as my Drill Instructor (Drill Instructor Sgt. Power - yes his real name) liked to call them did not agree with the methods or having their precious little darlings getting yelled at.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    All I was trying too say is there are many different ways too train people in stressfull environments other than being in their face ripping them apart.
    There are. But few are anywhere near as effective as this method that has worked since before the Civil War.

    Quote Originally Posted by ndvfdff33 View Post
    And Vinnie I would never have any one brought up on harassment charges for saying something because truthfully all these courses are a game too see if you can handle stuff you will face. Now say one of our Sergent Majors or Officers heard an Instructor talking too a student in the ways I've listened too these instructors speak you can bet your sweet *** he'd be up on charges before he could say holy s**t
    And in the Marine Corps, these Drill Instructors will not be brought up on charges because of the necessity of getting the job done.

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    So I do apologize if I offended any of you. I truly did not mean too if I did. Think of me what you want I'm done and once again I apologize
    You did too mean to. You were corrected at least twice about the appropriate use of diction, syntax, and grammar about capitalizing the "M" in Marine when addressing an individual who has graduated and completed training at one of the Recruit Depots. We have earned the title Marine. And we carry on a proud tradition of men and women better than we are.

    And then you went on to be sarcastic in the one instance that you did capitalize the M to belittle those of us while decrying the actions of someone else who allegedly "belittled" a dead aggressor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI View Post
    You are helping me understand why the US Military is the primary Canadian national defense system.
    While I respect the Canadians, it is a product of what socialism does to ones' mind.

    Just look at what it has done to Europe.

    And none of this is meant to offend any Canadians on these boards. I don't apologize for how I feel.
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