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    Hello we are looking to get a Heavy rescue/ equipment truck. We currently have a old Snap on Truck we converted over to a equipment truck. It is overloaded and a bear to drive. If anyone has a Narrative they could send me that would be great. Thanks Tim
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    Default Heavy Rescue

    Same need here - will trade a succesful 06 SAFER narrative for a heavy rescue write up

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    As others will chime in with a heavy rescue truck is the lowest of priorities. Better to use your opportunity to ask for a pumper, tanker or brush truck, which are priority 1 in the matrix. The odds are extremely low of a priority 3 vehicle being granted. Not trying to rain on your parade but I believe there has only been one heavy rescue truck given since the program started and BC 79 did it.

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    Only an "urban" classification has a rescue as a Priority 1, but it's the bottom of the list. If you are classified rural or suburban, it will be a wasted application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onebugle View Post
    Only an "urban" classification has a rescue as a Priority 1, but it's the bottom of the list. If you are classified rural or suburban, it will be a wasted application.
    I agree, wasted effort.
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    Hello thanks for the input. we already have 2 class a pumper 1988 and 2005. We also have a 2000 tanker and a 1981 grass truck. The equipment truck is in the worst shape. So what you are saying is to apply for a Heavy rescue with a pump? We would be classified as rural.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC8OIG View Post
    Hello thanks for the input. we already have 2 class a pumper 1988 and 2005. We also have a 2000 tanker and a 1981 grass truck. The equipment truck is in the worst shape. So what you are saying is to apply for a Heavy rescue with a pump? We would be classified as rural.
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    Tim I believe what all of us are telling you is, you will have "0" chance at any kind of a rescue truck period. If the vehicle you are trying to replace is listed on the vehicle matrix as being anything other than a Priority 1 vehicle, it will not get considered. The computer will kick out your application before it ever makes it to anyone that will even read it. This language below is quoted directly from the program guidance:

    Due to the competitive nature of this program and the imposed limits of funding available for this program, it is unlikely that DHS will fund many vehicles not listed as a Priority One during the 2007 program year.


    Change your project guy, sorry.
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    You would do a lot better in the scoring asking for your grass/brush buggy. At least that would be in the right category and score well based on age and only one vehicle in the class. At least that will stand a chance of getting you past the computer and to peer review.

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    You would do a lot better in the scoring asking for a replacement for your grass/brush buggy. At least that would be in the right category and score well based on age and only one vehicle in the class. At least that will stand a chance of getting you past the computer and to peer review.
    With the high number of applications expected this year , you need to have the best app. you can come up with for the right project and for the right reasons. Good luck!

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    The other kicker is this from program guidance; "When assessing the number of vehicles a department has within a particular class, we will include all vehicles with similar functions. For example, in the “pumper” category, we will consider the following to be of similar function: any firefighting vehicle with pumping capacity of 750 gallons per minute (gpm) or more and water carrying capacity of at least 300 gallons,......"

    So if you have a tanker with a 750 pump and 1,000 gal of water with very minimal equipment it's going to be classed as a pumper. Thats a huge contradiction to NFPA 1901 chapter 5 "pumpers" and ISO recommendations.

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    Hello and Thanks for the Help. It looks like we will be would be wasteing our time to ask for a Rescue unit. I am not sure why they would have then as proitiry 3. That truck goes to every call we have. We get around 300 or more call a year. I don't think the grass truck will score high we got a forestry grant last year for a new skid unit and will be getting that next month. We have not replaced the truck just the pump. We got a ok from the Fire board to apply for a rescue unit and we will not have a meeting before the grant is due. It looks like we have 2 options. 1 not try for any grants this year or 2 go for a Pumper and build it with just the miniumm and make the compartment to work as a rescue unit. We got just about everything else new in the last few years. we got new gear, scba's, air compressor and genarator for the building. It had to get some of the member to ok, for us to even apply. I guess and 3rd option would be to go for a grass rig, but sure what we would do about the new skid unit.
    Thanks for all your help. We are haveing a meeting Thursday night to look at some qoutes for rescue trucks looks like it will be a waste of time.
    P.S. do you always have to replace a unit or can you get one without replacement.
    Thanks Tim

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    Per the PG:

    DHS will evaluate the marginal value derived from an additional vehicle of any given type on the basis of call volume. As a result, departments with fewer vehicles of a given type than other departments who service comparable call volumes are more likely to score competitively than departments with more vehicles of that type and comparable call volume unless the need for an additional vehicle of such type is made apparent in the application.
    DHS assesses all vehicles with similar functions when assessing the number of vehicles a department possesses within a particular type. For example, the “pumper ” category includes: pumpers, engines, pumper/tankers (apparatus that carries a minimum of 300 gallons of water and has a pump with a capacity to pump a minimum of 750 gallons per minute), rescue-pumpers, quints (with aerials less than 76 feet in length), and urban interface vehicles (Type I).
    You currently operate 2 pumpers with an average age of 10.5 years and respond to about 300 incidents/year. Unless you have safety issues with the 1988 pumper, going for a 3rd pumper will be extremely remote.

    Most vehicles are replacement vehicles due to serious safety issues such as open cabs, no seat belts etc. If you go this route you would have to show you are replacing 2 vehicles with one (a good argument for cost/benefit). Using the argument that a vehicle(s) are unsafe, means they have to be taken out of service (verified) if awarded a grant.

    If you decide that replacing the 1981 brush truck is the route to go, the new skid unit is not a detriment, but a plus. This will reduce the cost/benefit. By applying for a brush truck you can reduce the overall cost of the vehicle by using the existing skid unit vs. applying for a complete brush truck. So if a new brush truck cost $100,000 and you use the existing skid unit saving $20,000 the application would be for $80,000. In the narrative you would explain this savings.

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