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    Default Where Have All The Leaders Gone? Iacocca Speaks

    Where Have All The Leaders Gone?


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    Had Enough? Am I the only guy in this country who's fed up with what's happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We've got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we've got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can't even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, "Stay the course." Stay the course? You've got to be kidding. This is America, not the damned Titanic. I'll give you a sound bite: Throw the bums out! You might think I'm getting senile, that I've gone off my rocker, and maybe I have. But someone has to speak up. I hardly recognize this country anymore. The President of the United States is given a free pass to ignore the Constitution, tap our phones, and lead us to war on a pack of lies.Congress responds to record deficits by passing a huge tax cut for the wealthy (thanks, but I don't need it). The most famous business leaders are not the innovators but the guys in handcuffs. While we're fiddling in Iraq, the Middle East is burning and nobody seems to know what to do. And the press is waving pom-poms instead of asking hard questions. That's not the promise of America my parents and yours traveled across the ocean for.
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    . . . . Mr. Who?
    "Yeah, but as I've always said, this country has A.D.D." - Denis Leary

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodSendRain View Post
    . . . . Mr. Who?

    Lee Iacocca...the father of the Ford Mustang (thank you Lee! ) and the guy who brought Chrysler back from the brink in the late 70's to early 1980's.
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    Oh. Well, he does have some good points.
    "Yeah, but as I've always said, this country has A.D.D." - Denis Leary

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    To quote George Carlin:

    "I have this real moron thing I do, it's called THINKING. And I am not a very good American, because I like to form my own opinion. I believe NOTHING the government or the media tells me"

    Not sure who has this Starz On Demand channel, but there is an interesting documentary on it called "Why We Fight." It is a good watch. If you do not have it, just do a google search for President Esienhowers farewell address. He left the American people with some honest warnings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DocVBFDE14 View Post
    Not sure who has this Starz On Demand channel, but there is an interesting documentary on it called "Why We Fight." It is a good watch. If you do not have it, just do a google search for President Esienhowers farewell address. He left the American people with some honest warnings.
    I did see that documentary. It is available on DVD.

    Eisenhower's warnings have become reality. War is profitable, and those who profit need to ensure there bottom lines are well protected.
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    War is profitable

    It always has been. The timing of WWII was very helpful in allowing us to climb out of the 1930's depression.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasper45 View Post
    It always has been. The timing of WWII was very helpful in allowing us to climb out of the 1930's depression.
    It is false prosperity. Wars devastate economies as much as people and nations. Wars are fought with borrowed money that is in effect an increased tax burden.
    Politics is like driving. To go forward select "D", to go backward select "R."

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I did see that documentary. It is available on DVD.

    Eisenhower's warnings have become reality. War is profitable, and those who profit need to ensure there bottom lines are well protected.
    While the makers did try and stay down the middle, there are parts where they lean towards one side over another. That ruins part of it.

    I just enjoyed the features on Esienhower and his presidency. It amazes me how much we ignore the teachings of men smarter than us, starting with George Washington. His farewell address included a message for the furture, which at times we've ignored on purpose, "Stay out of European affairs." (paraphrased). I often read the farewell address of outgoing presidents and see just how much insight and knowledge they possessed.
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    SC's right about war being a false prosperity, and I remember the same fallacies like WWII ending the Great Depression being taught in school.

    Such spending does redistribute money and in WWII helped build nest eggs, and while wars are sometimes necessary they don't have a direct impact on the long term economy that capital investments like roads and electric plants do.

    In reality, The Great Depression ended, oh, about 7 years before the U.S. entered WWII. It started in 1929, and ended in 1934 when the U.S. started grow again. '35 and '36 where growth years without military spending. '37 and '38 saw another recession, and you can split that between uncertainity over the New Deal and some of Roosevelt's more business-unfriendly policies, and uncertainity over Europe's looming problems.

    By '38 Roosevelt was attacking the recession with increased government spending, with the war looming those funds went into war materials; without a war looming it would've been spent in other areas just the same.

    If you except the partisans who loved everything FDR did and those who hated everything he did, for most people you can roughly divide his actions in quarters -- Some stuff he overreached and failed rightfully (like expansion of the Supreme Court to put in his own majority); Some stuff they initially bungled then reformed under Republican pressure to very effective institutions (The Resettlement Administration was founded to relocate people to utopian socialist villages...after initial failures, it became the Farmers Home Administration and developed today's highly succesful rural development loan system -- same goal, radically different methods); some stuff are models for all time (the Civilian Conservation Corps as an effective "make work" program just to get young men employed...where they couldn't spend their money on booze and had to send some home to get money recirculating in the economy again); and some where done OK but could've been done better (Social Security).

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    Lee Iaccoca...

    As I recall the Chrysler saga unfolding it was simply a car manufacturer who allowed themselves to ride the wave of the huge American highway cruiser too long and found themselves in trouble when they realized they were sorely out of touch with American consumer needs. They were on the verge of disappearing like AMC until they convinced the government to loan them the money to attempt to dig themselves out of hole they dug. Fortunately for the American tax payer it was successful. Well, at least successful enough to remain viable long enough to be gobbled up by a European corporation. Merger my ***.

    Look the real problem in this country is political parties and the absolute rabid hatred between the 2. I couldn't care less what party runs this country if just one time, just one God Damned time, they would actually listen to what the real working class jag offs like you and me are saying. Neither party listens anymore to anyone other than the special interest groups that fund them for the most part. And listen you hard care democrats OPEN YOUR EYES, and you hard core republicans OPEN YOUR EYES. The entire system in this country is so out of touch with the everyday man as to be laughable. Please tell me what some multi-millionare politician knows about the life of a firefighter, or store clerk, or truck driver or teacher or anyone else for that matter that other than maybe a couple weeks out of the year they don't even know exist.

    This country is in a spiral and unless we do something quick I fear what our kids will inherit from us. I am sure I will be called an alarmist but tough my opinion is as valid as anyone else's here who has their own agenda.

    1) Political coruption. With an extreme few exceptions I firmly believe that the farther you climb in the chain of political power the more the following holds true.
    a) Politician only lie when their lips are moving.
    b) They have no real knowledge of anything other than the game of
    politics.
    c) They are so removed from their districts and the people they
    serve that they lose touch with what really matters to their
    constituents.
    d) Most politicians that serve at a national level are owned or at least
    beholding to someone or some business for helping them get there.


    2) Immigration. I am sure that no matter what I say here it will **** someone off.
    a) Legal immigration should and must be encouraged. This country was built by immigrants and we need those people to come here and prove the American drean still exists. Because it does. Well, at least for those willing to work hard enough to find it.
    b) Illegal immigration needs to stop. Companies caught hiring illegals need to face HUGE penalties. People harboring illegals need to face HUGE penalties. Cities passing laws making themselves safe havens for illegals need to know that that will cost them state and federal aid. It is not that difficult to enter this country legally and be a legal worker or resident, whether you want to become a citizen or not. The simple fact is that illegals are the slave laborers of this age, used by businesses to get cheap, unreportable workers that are disposable.

    3) The USA's image and place in the world.
    a) I for one am sick of the hypocrits of the world who spend the majority of their time bad mouthing us then expect us to save them from their next crisis. Whether natural or man made.
    b) IF the UN had had the stones to finish the job the first time we wouldn't be in Iraq today. The multi-national force would be doing the nation building or what ever you want to call it.
    c) My first move as president would be to remove all of our military from mainland Europe. There really is no need for us to be there. With our air transport capability we could keep a rapid deployment force in England and save Europe's *** from there the next time they need us. By the way, when I left those bases, not one damn usable thing would be left behind. Not one building, vehicle, nothing.

    Can you imagine the outcry from the Eurpoena nations if we were to do this? It has NOTHING to do with their defense anymore it has to do with the US defense department's budget being their cash cow. Local economies and in some cases national economies would suffer on a scale we can't even imagine.

    d) I would cut or eliminate much of the assistance we send around the world. Please explain to me why we support nations that can't even be trusted to even lie and say they might support us if we need them. Support of corrupt and illegal regimes that do support the US needs to stop too. This tarnishes our image just as badly.

    4) The economy.
    a) We must stop the major bleed of our industries out of the county. I think it is time for the US to place as restrictive of tarrifs on the goods of other countries as those countries have place on ours. Do you people realize that a HUGE portion of what used to be manufactured here is now made in China, Taiwan, India, Pakistan and more? (If you don't better crawl out from under that rock) The use of cheap (slave) labor overseas is killing our economic base.
    b) Education in this country is doing an incredibly poor job in preparing kids for the modern workforce, particularly at the high school level. Mind numbing teaching where often the kid knows more about technology than the teacher is killing our kids incentive to learn. Of course they need the basics of reading, writing, spelling, math, and science. But when you sign up for a computer course and the kids are teaching the instructor what are they learning? The elimination of shop classes or the systematic destruction of their ability to teach anything meaningful is a sore point for the kids who don't go on to a 4 year college as this steals a good opportunity to learn a
    trade.
    c) False economies and corporation leaders falsely inflating profit or status of their companies have destroyed many lives. Prison terms and fines must be weighted far heavier to "encourage" honesty.


    Okay rant off. I am sure I am being called a thousand different names by many of you. Oh well such is life. Don't like my opinion? Turn the page.

    But please, do have a nice day.

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    Is this your kick-off in '08 announcement?


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    jasper45...

    Brother, you know I would be assasinated within months of being elected. Even if I stayed miles away from any school book depository buildings.

    A shame that simple basic ideas like these can;t be seen as necessary for our society. I admit I am a dinosaur.

    If nominated I will not run, if elected I will not serve. But hell you can still be my driver!!

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    It is false prosperity. Wars devastate economies as much as people and nations. Wars are fought with borrowed money that is in effect an increased tax burden.
    Spot on with that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FyredUp View Post
    b) Education in this country is doing an incredibly poor job in preparing kids for the modern workforce, particularly at the high school level. Mind numbing teaching where often the kid knows more about technology than the teacher is killing our kids incentive to learn. Of course they need the basics of reading, writing, spelling, math, and science. But when you sign up for a computer course and the kids are teaching the instructor what are they learning? The elimination of shop classes or the systematic destruction of their ability to teach anything meaningful is a sore point for the kids who don't go on to a 4 year college as this steals a good opportunity to learn a
    trade.

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    I support trade classes. I took an auto shop class (which is why I'm a bit embarrassed by not knowing the name "Iacocca"). I didn't know a damn thing about cars going into the class ("one pedal makes it go, the other makes it stop"). I have to say, it has paid for itself. I don't do it for a living, but the money I saved by working on my own vehicles helped me avoid any extra financial burdens that college years can put on oneself. I think the first job I ever did was to replace the brake fluid reservoir, brake pads and rotors on my old truck. Hell, I probably saved $500 or more on that job alone (roughly the price of 3 college textbooks).

    But at the end of every high-school year, I remember my tech-professor always hinting that he wasn't going to be there the next year. The school's auto program was slowly going the way of their former beautician classes, culinary classes, and construction classes (the former construction classes were "merged" with agriculture classes, and the next step was to cut construction out of the curriculum altogether). Computers are the new thing, and will remain so until it costs $300/hour for labor on anything else. Then we'll be shipping our cars overseas to have them worked on.
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