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    WOWIE ur a genius CAPT Bob, Thanks for telling us what we already knew...

    Still its crazy that a test that does exactly what its designed to do is thrown out on these basis. Anyway guess I find it amusing that the director of public safety writes about the safety of firefighters, the residents, & businesses being at stake well doesn't that have any pull when it comes too hiring the best qualified candidates for the fire private positions. or do they really want joe shmow off the street who cant read or comprehend but got lucky on the second test.


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    Default Hmmmm

    Please don't try to bring fact and logic into the equation.

    If your interested go to www.kmox.com there are numerous interviews that
    are very interesting. You can get all sides to the story.

    You can also check out www.mayorslay.com and read his blog.

    CFD's responses can be found at
    http://stlouis.missouri.org/citygov/fire click on the flashing "new"

    One agency has gotten so PC they don't give a written. Applications aree scanned and around 200 candidates are invited to the agility. Those that pass go onto the oral board. Those that are hired are in the academy before their backgrounds are completed. it's only right you know? More are coming. Pray for the firefighters and citizens.
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    Capt. Bob....


    It's all tied together...

    1st of all, it is no rumor. The test was thrown out for that exact reason. It boils down to there was a large number of a specific demographic that did not pass. Had they kept the process going, there would most likey be a law suit filed on their behalf. The Dir. of Personnel publicly stated he wanted to avoid that.

    The promotions for Captains have been tied up for almost 5 years for the same reason. A specific demographic is not largely represented on the list. They claim the test was racially biased, even though a federal judge, industrial pyschiatrist who specializes in this field(who is black), and even their own attorney claim the test is fair, impartial, and adequately measures the level of competancy a fire captian on this job should have.

    How is this tied together? How the Mayor, Dir. of Public Safety, the Chief of Department, and the courts follow through with this will have major impact how promotions AND hiring will be handled in the future.

    I was talking about this whole mess to an aquantance of mine today. He happens to be African-American. HE summed this whole mess up pretty clearly and accurately. 30+ years ago there was a certain group of people who were treated VERY differently on this job, and to a very extreme here. Right or wrong how they were handled....restitutions were made (50/50 hiring and promoting). For 30 years many people were hired who barely had a GED education, and barely passed the entry exam over others with more eduaction, and scored much higher than them......

    NOW...here we are TODAY. 50/50 is gone, and the idea is EVERYONE is supposed to be on an even playing field. And here are the factors he stated:

    1) What makes anyone think a poorly educated man who barely passes the entry test, and is GIVEN the job over more qualified people is going to score better than anyone else on a more difficult exam such as a promotional exam?

    2) For 30 years a certain demographic was handed a job and promotion without having to put much effort into it. Now they not only expect the hand out...they demand it....ie. the story give a man a fish he'll eat for a day......teach him how to fish he will eat for the rest of his life!

    3) This job is no longer a blue collar job were all you need is "balls and brawn". You really need a college level education to be proficiant....even at the entry level with all the services we are expected to provide, especially a large dept. like ours.

    4) Where do you draw the line at building a more diverse work force, and hiring/promoting the most qualified person regardless of demographic at the sacrifce of public and firefighter safety?

    I wish this black man was younger than the age cap of 33. I would love to have him work beside me.
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    I should add some information here, especially to the future FFs who tested with StL, and are affected by this current situation.

    NIETHER the Dir. of Public Safety NOR the Chief of Department have any authority over ANY of the testing. The Dir. of Personnel has SOLE authority over testing for hiring and promotions. He may ask for input, but it is under his entire discretion on what process and what test will be used for these purposes.

    This position is considered by many...one of the most powerful positions in this city...2nd only to the mayor. Some believe he has more authority than the mayor.

    The former Dir. of Personnel even testified in court he manipulated test scores and lists to obtain a more diverse list while he held that postion.

    There are a few people (some even firefighters) argue that the Dir. of Public Safety nor the Mayor CONNOT force the chief to promote, because under the City Charter he his considered "The Appointed Authority" for the fire department. The Charter supposedly states the "The Appointed Authority has the SOLE discretion to promote/hire or NOT promote/hire".

    My question to those folks is....how can a department head have more authority than his/her boss? I don't think so! Even the Mayor has a boss, and answers to somebody. The chief has been given a direct order, and he should follow it to the letter, or suffer the consequences.

    It would be the same concept if my Capt. told me to polish the brass in the firehouse....even if it wasnt the scheduled day to do it, and I refused to do it because it was Friday and not Saturday. He gave me an order, and if I refuse...I am insubordinate and should be diciplined.

    As I said earlier.....what happens here on Friday will have a major impact on thinhs to come. At least for this department.

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    Breaking News in case you havent heard...

    Sam Simon has resigned as Public Safety Director. He has been replaced by charles bryson...

    here is what he had to say...

    http://www.mayorslay.com/news/display.asp?prID=715

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    That's good that he's not going to dumb down the test. That last one was already extremely easy in my eyes.(the math and reading) I guess I'll give it another try since it's a new person at this position. I'll probably have to drive from WI though since I can't afford another flight.

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    If you dare to try again, they are going to "attempt" testing again, or some form. The hang sheet is back up. But there is no indication when the test(s) will be. I assure that if 1300 showed up several months ago, they may be lucky to get half of that.

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    hang sheet?

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    hang sheet?
    Hang sheet is the term used by city employees that another department is accepting applications, and is posted for a certian period of time for people to apply for....a "sheet" of paper "hanging" on the bulletin board announcing an open application period

    Maybe not the most precise definition, but you get the pont.

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    so are they going to be taking apps again? or are they just letting the people from last time test. i hope its just the people from last time.

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    Default apply now

    Applications are being taken until 9/21/07

    http://stlcin.missouri.org/OnlineJob...?OpeningID=754

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    According to the city website........they are accepting aps again....

    http://stlcin.missouri.org/OnlineJob/jobs.cfm


    I don't know why they would do this. I would think this would open themselves up to a lot of trouble, but it is in the authority of the Dir. of Personnel to do this.

    However....after tomorrow anything could happen. Hang tight fellas, come on back and try again if you are able. We need to be flooded with qualified people to bring the StLFD back to glory, and bump out the bums looking for a free ride.

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    Well at least they stop accepting them in a week already. So I'm sure that most people outside the city won't know. I'm going to try to make the trip again for sure. I really hope this works out after all of this money I'm spending just to have a CHANCE at the job. It will be worth it though. I just made my first interior attack on the nozzle last week. So now I KNOW that this job is for me. haha

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    Hey guys how many of you are going to test this time? I missed out the last time but just sent my app. off a few min. ago. Hey fieldseng2 I talked to FF Owens yesterday while on shift, I think this time I will go through with it, he's been my biggest encouragement to test with you guys. Also have you heard on a test date yet? I know apps are due next Friday.

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    Any idea if we needed to reapply or not? Any idea when the new test date is or what kind of test it will be? Surley it wont be the same test? Congrats on the fire attack and welcome to the club!

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    Thanks aneff. I think that letter we got in the mail said that we don't need to reapply. This job isn't really being advertised anyway except for in the city itself. So there probably won't be many new applicants. Those are already due Friday as well. So hopefully the test will be soon.

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    Hey Fieldseng,

    Looks like its time for round 2....ding ding ding

    Oh well. Big city or small, public safety and politics go hand in hand.

    On another note, glad to hear about the Surprise Air case. Glad the family got something.

    Hopefully that bond will go through and you can get some quality SCBA. Scott, if I was on the committee. Who makes your turnouts? If you remember I live in the Alton,IL area and see you guys on the news and in person occasionally but have never asked where you got those turnouts that look like they are from the 80's. Maybe its just me or maybe they get used alot, but they dont look like they are from a quality manufacturer.

    And yes, I still have to do a ride along sometime.

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    A local news station caught the City's personnel director lying about why the entrance exam was thrown out.

    http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-i...ml?nvid=177280

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    Can anybody provide an update on the status of the promotions? Did the Chief ever get in trouble? Did he a receive a slap on the hand?

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