1. #1
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    Default DHS Grant Definitions - LAST MINUTE QUESTION

    Ok guys, help me out here for a last minute question

    Can someone please help me figure out the definitions for the following trucks that are in our fleet? I am pretty confused now with the definitions after reading the Guidance Document and the grant application online

    Engine 91
    1993 KME on a Freightliner Chassis
    1250 GPM Hale pump
    1000 gallons of water

    Rescue 9
    2004 Spartan
    1250 GPM Hale pump
    600 gallons of water
    20 gallon on board foam system

    Engine 94
    1000 GPM Darley pump
    1500 gallons of water

    We are wanting to get a new Pumper/Tanker -- specs: 1500 gal tank, 1500 GPM pump

    How would I define this in the grant? As a tanker, right?


    Under the department call volume it asks for number of BLS and number of ALS EMS response calls

    We are a BLS non-transport provider --- so do we put the number of ALS calls as zero since we do not provide ALS Services or do we count calls that require an ALS ambulance (chest pain, difficulty breathing) ???

    Thanks for all your help in advance!

    Last edited by kcummings; 04-28-2007 at 07:02 PM. Reason: added another question

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    Northern NY

    Default All Engines

    Your asking for an engine and you already got three engines. Probably not very good odds no matter how you slice and dice. If your rural, better ask for a tanker, big water, small pump (500 gpm) or a brush truck. Can't imagine you ever getting a grant with a 2004 and 2 in reserve. DHS definitions stink, but you gotta play by their rules.

    From the Application's Help Section

    Vehicle Activity
    The following is a list of items that are eligible for funding in the Vehicle Activity. All equipment that is funded in this activity must comply with applicable NFPA, OSHA, NIOSH, Coast Guard, or ANSI Standards.

    Engine: (Pumper, Wagon and Foam-Pumper) an apparatus equipped with a fire pump of at least 750 gpm capacity, water tank with a minimum of 300 gallons. The apparatus must be manufactured and equipped in accordance with NFPA Standard 1901. Variations include:
    Foam Pumper
    CAFS Pumper
    Type I
    Quint w/ladder < 76 feet

    Brush Engine: (Grass Truck or Rig, Patrol, Attack, Mini-Pumper, Booster, CAFS etc.) a small apparatus primarily designed for fighting wild land fires and is often equipped with four-wheel drive to improve its off-road capabilities. The vehicle must be manufactured and equipped to comply with NFPA 1906.

    Tanker: (Tender, Tanker) a vehicle designed to transport large quantities of water to fires in areas without an adequate and reliable public water system. Tank sizes are normally 1000 gallons or greater with a pump with less than 750 gpm capacity and the vehicle must be manufactured and equipped in accordance with NFPA Standard 1901 for tanker. The vehicle may or may not be equipped with a fire pump.
    Foam Tanker
    Type 1-3

    Aerial: (Ladder, Truck, Platform, Snorkel, Articulating Platform, Telescoping Platform, Hook & Ladder, Quint) a piece of fire apparatus equipped with a ladder or other mechanical extension and is used to access heights in order to perform rescue and firefighting functions. The apparatus must be manufactured and equipped in accordance with the provisions of NFPA 1901 for aerial apparatus.
    Quint w/ladder > 76 feet

    Squad: (Rescue; variations include Light, Medium, Heavy) a piece of apparatus that is designed to carry specialized equipment to perform non-routine, technical rescues to include, but not be limited to, vehicle extrication, building collapse, trench or below grade, water, high angle, confined space, etc. Variations include:
    Light, Medium, and Heavy
    Technical Rescue Units

    EMS and Other
    Other: A specialized vehicle that includes:
    Air/Light Units
    Rehab Units
    Fire Boats
    Ambulance: a vehicle that is licensed and equipped to treat and transport the sick and injured to a medical facility.

    The following is a list of items that are ineligible for funding in the Vehicle Activity.

    Ineligible Vehicles
    Bull Dozers

    Wildland fire engine types
    Type Gallons capacity Gallons per minute (GPM) Crew size minimum
    1 400 1000@150psi 4
    2 400 500@150psi 3
    3 500 120@250psi 3
    4 750 70@100psi 3
    5 400 50@100psi 3
    6 150 30@100psi 3
    7 50 50@100psi 3

    Wildland fire tender
    Type Gallons capacity Gallons per minute (GPM) Crew size minimum
    1 5000 300 2
    2 2500 200 2
    3 1000 200 2

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    As Fighting41Ny pointed out you are asking for a pumper not a tanker based on AFG classification. With an average fleet age of 10 years, the application will not get very far, unfortunately.

    As for the medical runs, you need to split out the BLS and ALS incidents even though you are a non-transport BLS service.

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