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    Default Ok what about FP&S

    We have never applied for a FP&S grant and have been kicking the idea around.
    We have thought about including the 3 other departments in our area and asking for smoke and co detectors for the county.

    Is this a viable request?
    Even if the other departments do not want to participate we would still apply for the whole county.

    Any help,suggestions and ideas would be great.

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    We got smoke and CO detectors this year for our community.

    The key for us was to design a comprehensive program.

    We started with a mail-in survey to all households in our first due area. We took the numbers from the returned surveys and came up with a statistical analysis of smoke and CO detector ownership.

    We identified at risk populations. We developed a plan of how to target the detectors at those populations. We included our marketing plan in our narrative. We even included money for the marketing.

    We identified local churches and non-profit agencies that would help us identify specific households. We developed realistic timelines and goals for the program. We included training and equipment for the teams of firefighters who will be installing the detectors and doing home safety inspections.

    My lesson learned, build a comprehensive program that addresses every part of the program.

    Next on our list of FP programs, a fire extinguisher training simulator. We currently give training classes, but it costs us about $100 per 12 employees for having the extinguishers recharged. We have more demands for this training than we can fulfill. We are documenting all this. Payback on a simulator will be 18-24 months.

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    BJ, if the other departments in the county don't want to participate that's going to shoot you down a few notches. Not going to look good if you are saying that you're going to do the follow-up and whatnot in their districts plus your own. Just like regionals for AFG, if they aren't going to hold up their end then leave them out of it. Not worth the hassle.

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    kd7fds pretty much summed up what's needed for success...

    1. Needs analysis/risk assessment
    2. Eligible project (smoke detectors is)
    3. Marketing/distribution plan
    4. Follow-up

    BC79er speaks wisdom also--unless you've already got coordination in place, just do your district. If you're looking for a partner, consider having a 501(c)3 (not for profit) do the application. Under the most recent program they were not required to do a local match--fire departments were.

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    KD: what was your population and how many detectors do you plan to pass out/install?

    BC: I understand your point, but we are not over populated to the point we could not complete the distrabution to the entire county. The areas that arnt mine still need the help.

    We also have 2 elemntry schools 1 jr/sr high school.
    We were also thinking of youth fire safty, any ideas here?

    thanks guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjlffire View Post
    KD: what was your population and how many detectors do you plan to pass out/install?

    BC: I understand your point, but we are not over populated to the point we could not complete the distrabution to the entire county. The areas that arnt mine still need the help.

    We also have 2 elemntry schools 1 jr/sr high school.
    We were also thinking of youth fire safty, any ideas here?

    thanks guys
    If you want some more detailed help give me a shout on this I have some really good programs and examples I can share with you.
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    BJ, it's not about having the people or the need it's about having buyin from the fire departments and areas being served, primary consideration going to the former. If the FDs covering those areas do not buy into your project it is not a regional, nor is it a good idea to step on other people's areas in your narrative or in real life. If the municipalities buy into it and want it and support it that's one thing. But one of the biggest killers of FP apps is support. If they don't think their area needs it then drop it. No sense losing the benefit to the area you serve over someone else's lack of vision/commitment. It's a noble thought but don't lose the forest for the trees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjlffire View Post
    KD: what was your population and how many detectors do you plan to pass out/install?
    We have an approximate 5500 population currently. Our survey showed only 50% working smoking detector ownership. Census figures showed approximately 2000 homes and apartments in town. We are going to install smoke and CO detectors in 500 of them. We are also getting 1000 batteries. That should put us close to 75% of the households and the batteries might help us get that number even higher.

    We are going to use firefighters to install. Because we don't want to hand them out to someone and have them sit on a table somewhere unopened for the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd7fds View Post
    We have an approximate 5500 population currently. Our survey showed only 50% working smoking detector ownership. Census figures showed approximately 2000 homes and apartments in town. We are going to install smoke and CO detectors in 500 of them. We are also getting 1000 batteries. That should put us close to 75% of the households and the batteries might help us get that number even higher.

    We are going to use firefighters to install. Because we don't want to hand them out to someone and have them sit on a table somewhere unopened for the next year.
    Better thought here for that project. Ask for combination smoke and CO detectors with 10 year lithium batteries. Better cost benefit, less work for your department as there will be no 6 month recontact to change the battery which saves you manpower costs, less chance the battery does go bad andt he homeowner forgets to change it out, the advancing technology will obsolete the smoke detector before the battery wears out.
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    I should have clarified that we asked for 10 year batteries in everything. The 1000 extra batteries are all lithium as well.

    The combination detectors would be a nice touch. Didn't think about those.

    If you are considering asking for CO detectors, check out the technology first. We have been suprised at how few 9v CO detectors are on the market these days. They are being replaced by detectors that take 3AA batteries instead. Ones that plug into 110v outlets and use 9V backup batteries are also more common that 9v ones are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kd7fds View Post
    I should have clarified that we asked for 10 year batteries in everything. The 1000 extra batteries are all lithium as well.

    The combination detectors would be a nice touch. Didn't think about those.

    If you are considering asking for CO detectors, check out the technology first. We have been suprised at how few 9v CO detectors are on the market these days. They are being replaced by detectors that take 3AA batteries instead. Ones that plug into 110v outlets and use 9V backup batteries are also more common that 9v ones are.
    It would then make no sense to ask for 1000 extra batterries for them then.
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