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    Default Dramatically Improve Your Chances of Getting a Badge!

    How important is it to figure out what might be keeping you from getting a badge?

    BOB SMITH
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    Your odds of getting a firefighter badge are not the best you've ever had, right? But consider this. Those candidates, who get a proven oral board interview program, practice with a hand held recorder and get in a recorded private coaching session with a reliable coach with a good track record can improve their chances dramatically in obtaining their badges. That's right!

    If you are testing and your results letter doesn't have a score in the hiring range you have to start asking yourself why. How can you make the difference to be over forty on the list and to be in the top ten going to the chief's oral to nail a badge?

    Did you ever see a batter change his stance after a few words from his coach? And then see his batting average go higher? Of course. As a firefighter candidate coach along with our son Captain Rob, we have been there, done that. Got the ball cap, T-shirt and played the game. We've seen beyond the horizon where you can't see.

    I'm a coach and a seasoned veteran, someone who knows the game inside out, upside down, backward and forward. I let these experiences and insights keep you on the high road to a badge.

    I have coached candidates who had no experience and those who have been trying up to 18 years to get a firefighter job or promotion. One thing is common with most. After beating their heads against the wall trying everything possible to get this job, they figured out that the real secret is being able to pass the oral high enough to get a shot at the badge. Because in most cases 100% of your score to get hired is in the oral board interview!

    Can you do it on your own? It's certainly possible if you don't run out of money, jobs, family, friends and hope before you figure it out. Almost immediately candidates who get coaching figure out what they're doing wrong, get unstuck, improve their scores and get a real shot at a badge. You can look at the results other people just like you have gotten by using a proven formula. They simply got positive results by putting simple techniques into action. You can review what they have to say HERE http://www.eatstress.com/testbest.htm

    What have you done so far that is going to get you the badge?

    Do you spend money on classes? Books? Academies? Training? Then how about the oral board? Oh, yeah I forgot, you're good to go with the oral board right? You've got that wired. You can wing the oral. Right? Then where is your badge? I talked to a candidate the other day who had his chest pushed out saying he was number 15 on this list, twelve on that list and on and on. After several years of testing, he was still another bride's maid.

    "There is no free lunch . . . But there are better places to eat."

    How important is it to figure out what might be keeping you from getting a badge?

    This is an amazing story. I feel like I got the call. A large department sent out invitations for their chief's orals. A 20 year-old non- medic candidate called on short notice to get in for a coaching session. We did the session the next day.

    On Friday a more seasoned medic called that his interview with the same department was on Monday (three days away). I asked, OK, have you been practicing with a tape recorder? Well, no. . . . You need to hear what the panel is going to hear out of your mouth? Yes. I know it's my fault. I just bought a tape recorder and will start practicing tonight. Any chance I can get in? Sorry, we don't do coaching sessions until a candidate has been practicing their script with a tape recorder. It's like pulling teeth for us and a waste of your time and money.

    Well, both candidates took their orals on Monday. On Tuesday, I got a call from the very excited 20-year old candidate that he just got a job offer. He said what really helped him was to connect all the dots and find out what needed to be taken out of his presentation. He had good stuff. In the coaching session he was able to put together a segment of his personal life experiences that could be used as an answer to a particular oral board question or in his closing statement (yes, 20 year olds have valuable life experiences). When he was asked this question in his oral he was loaded for bear. He told me as he was finishing his answer to this question he saw the chief's begin to get this little smile. It only added to the energy. He knew when he left the room he had the job. He did!

    On Wednesday, I got a call from the medic candidate saying he got a call that he didn't make the cut. They called the first 15 candidates. He placed above 30 on the list. This was the forth time this medic candidate had taken this cities test. Twice he did not make it past the chief's interview.

    Part of the call from the city was to invite him back on Thursday to take the fire/medic chief's oral. He said he felt only a coaching session before his next interview on Thursday, was keeping him from getting the job. Yes, he had been practicing with a tape recorder since last Friday. It would be a challenge with such short notice. It was grueling trying to remove the embedded bad stuff with his better-personalized stuff.

    Twenty minutes into the coaching session he said he knew why he had been failing his interviews. This candidate didn't receive anything that he didn't already have. Like the Tin Man in the Wizard of Oz, we're not going to give you anything you don't already have. We're just going to show you where it is.

    It was the same panel members from his interview on Monday for the fire/medic chief's oral. The difference was this was not the same candidate. Four hours after his chief's interview that morning his phone rang with a job offer. That has to be record time.

    As I was putting the finishing touches on this article I received an e-mail that only confirms the importance of a complete program:

    Captain Bob, Captain Rob
    I worked hard, begged and borrowed for over five years in order to get a badge and not until I followed your instructions (tape recorder, video taping, and writing down my script) and got some coaching from Captain Rob did everything come together. . . Not only did I get this job, but I had to turn down some (4 to be exact) Chief's interviews during the academy from other fire departments.

    Please add me to the long list of people who have received a badge because of your help. I thank you and my family thanks you. I am writing to inform you that I am a probationary Firefighter for a dream Fire Department and am relaxing at home on my first 4-day off. You and Rob helped me with my preparation and direction going into my oral interviews. Not only did I get this job, but I had to turn down some (4 to be exact) Chief's interviews during the academy from other fire departments. I worked hard, begged and borrowed for over five years in order to get a badge and not until I followed your instructions (tape recorder, video taping, writing down my script) and got some coaching from Captain Rob did everything come together. As I mentioned, not only did I get a job, I made it to the chief's interview every test that I took afterwards. Now I get to live the dream.

    Respectfully, Fernando

    Do yourself a favor and not waste any more opportunities in trying to gain your badge. Have someone in the know review what you're doing. More on coaching HERE.

    And when you make it big-time and get that badge, as with so many before you, I will bask in the glow of your success. But, as a coach I take no credit, accept no credit. A great coach insists that since you were on the field of play, since you were the one making the moves, the credit all goes to you.
    ______________________________ _______________

    "Nothing counts 'til you have the badge . . . Nothing!"

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    Default Younger? Car Salesmen?

    I was reading about the poor gentleman who didn't get his promotion (he lost out to the young, "car salesmen" type guy). I find this statement offensive. I have no white moustache and I am well spoken. I am also assuming that I'm looped into that very stereotype. You see I work hard, train hard and study hard. In my opinion you need the 3 "Bs" to be not just a leader but an exceptional leader, Brains, Battle experience and Balls. I have brains, I have plenty of battle experience and I have balls. What makes a guy with just as much "balls" and 3 times as much battle experience more qualified for a gold badge than me if he has no brains or for better understanding, lack of ability to verbalize his brains? When he gets the badge and cannot assert himself at a fire, EMS incident or even just a public relations engagement, he makes a mockery of the position, the promotional process and the department itself. I may only be 34 years old, but I'm ready to take the bull by the horns. If you really want to get promoted, study harder! learn to assert yourself! for God's sake grow a set! I know a lot of white moustachers that are laid up in early retirement, on ODI or rapidly heading towards 1 of the 2. Why? stupid mistakes, lack of training and/or being physically unfit to perform the job. You are owed NOTHING for your years of service! You do owe it to yourself to stop sobbing because the young, smart, ambitious and most importantly, well prepared guy scored higher.

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    7 Hills,
    Don't take it personally. This is just Bob taking the opportunity to SPAM the entire website. The post was nothing more than an advertisement for his website. He will get beaten up by many posters, but his philosophy is that bad press is better than no press at all.

    For the record, I have proctored dozens of promotional exams. Some of the best candidates I have ever scored are in their early to mid 30's. Some of the worst candidates I have scored are in their early to mid 30's.

    I was promoted to Captain on a BIG city west coast fire department at 32, to BC at 39, and to DC at 45. I can tell you that at first glance I would score someone with gray hair higher than someone who looks like a kid. This is the honest truth and it comes from a guy who promoted very young.

    Having said that, I don't care how old you are. YOU MUST PERFORM!
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    The WT actually told me a while back that they allow him to spam the forum in exchange for giving FH.com content for their main website. It will never change.
    Even the burger-flippers at McDonald's probably have some McWackers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulLepore View Post
    7 Hills,
    Don't take it personally. This is just Bob taking the opportunity to SPAM the entire website. The post was nothing more than an advertisement for his website. He will get beaten up by many posters, but his philosophy is that bad press is better than no press at all.
    CaptSpam has some sort of incestuous relationship with the staff here. The anti-spam rules never seem to be applied to his posts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nmfire View Post
    The WT actually told me a while back that they allow him to spam the forum in exchange for giving FH.com content for their main website. It will never change.
    Which is a sad statement on the quality of the main FH website, if you ask me. There's a good reason why FH has always been considered a rag among the major fire service journals.
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