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    Default need new gear, got any suggestions?

    my gear has a a burn straight through it and according to NFPA it isn't safe to wear. so these are my options(in link form)

    http://www.globefiresuits.com/cairns...on/pants.asp#1 -cairns
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    http://www.thefirestore.com/store/pr...kevlar_yellow/

    Fire-Dex Express Assault Pant, P84/Kevlar, Yellow


    http://www.thefirestore.com/store/pr...s_gold_fusion/
    Janesville: Super Deluxe TFS, Turnout Pants, Gold Fusion

    http://www.thefirestore.com/store/pr...pants_natural/
    Janesville: V-Force TFS, Turnout Pants, Natural

    i particularly like the Globe due to it performance, but the dept. might not order it so these are the ones they are going to order, even the globe for some strange reason


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    I've always liked globe gear. Probably because it's the only gear I've ever used. But none the less that would be my choice
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    If your gear is unsafe, your department should give you another set of gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tbonetrexler View Post
    If your gear is unsafe, your department should give you another set of gear.
    Took the words right out of my mouth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RFRDxplorer View Post
    Took the words right out of my mouth.
    Mmhmm. Same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fortythreetwo View Post
    Mmhmm. Same here.
    indeed... u shouldnt have to buy ur own gear...

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    I think his dept is buying his gear. He just has those choices to choose from and is asking opinions on the different types. Thats what I'm gettin out of it. If he has to go buy his own stuff thats definately not on what so ever
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    Well hot damn.............

    Our department has Janesville, I'm not sure what style it is, but I am pretty sure that it is the natural colored nomex and it has orange reflective striping. I think that it looks pretty damn good, but I may be biased.

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    I have a couple of questions for you:

    1. How did an Explorer get close enough to heat to have a burn going down the middle of it?

    2. Since you are an explorer you should not be anywhere near the hot zone, which leads me to believe your gear should never be exposed to any real heat, so why would it need to be NFPA compliant??


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    Quote Originally Posted by sfdffemt17 View Post
    I have a couple of questions for you:

    1. How did an Explorer get close enough to heat to have a burn going down the middle of it?

    2. Since you are an explorer you should not be anywhere near the hot zone, which leads me to believe your gear should never be exposed to any real heat, so why would it need to be NFPA compliant??


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    Quote Originally Posted by sfdffemt17 View Post
    I have a couple of questions for you:

    1. How did an Explorer get close enough to heat to have a burn going down the middle of it?

    2. Since you are an explorer you should not be anywhere near the hot zone, which leads me to believe your gear should never be exposed to any real heat, so why would it need to be NFPA compliant??
    at least I wasn't the only one thinking these things.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    at least I wasn't the only one thinking these things.....
    Nope.

    Given that 14 y/o's don't do interior structural firefighting, compliance with NFPA interior structural firefighting gear standards is moot...
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    Hopefully I don't start some huge debate but... though we may not be doing any interior work or anything else it looks better for the department if all the persons more or less look like they are not a rag tag bunch of under funded firefighters. Or at least that is what I would think if I saw a firefighter or explorer, though most people don't know how to tell the difference, standing around with torn burnt gear. Plus if something bad happened like an explosion or something it could better protect the explorer. I if I recall correctly LFL (learning for life) requires adequate gear for the participants.

    I may not be correct about of this (at least the explosion part) so please tell me if I am wrong. It is mainly what I think. Anyways occationaly the advisers can cut the tape and do a live burn.
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    If I was the explorer, and not doing "Hot" work, I would want the weathered hand me down gear.


    Cause they probably won't get it worn in like that on thier own. But if they want to stand around the scene looking like the jr that they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by t0asty View Post
    if I recall correctly LFL (learning for life) requires adequate gear for the participants.

    I may not be correct about of this (at least the explosion part) so please tell me if I am wrong. It is mainly what I think. Anyways occationaly the advisers can cut the tape and do a live burn.


    On one hand you are preaching that LFL requires adequate gear, but on the other hand you are admitting that the advisors "sometimes" are able to do live burns. Buddy, you are either with LFL or against them, but do not try and use them to your advantage when you want adequate gear, but shun them when the fun stuff like live burns comes into play. The bottom line is explorers should not be placed into any dangerous situations therefore thier gear does not need to be NFPA compliant as the NFPA relates to heat exposure requirements. As far as "if" there was an explosion...well if there was even a remote chance of that, than the explorers ought to be staged far far away, that is why it is called the cool zone.

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    I was just commenting on the rules the LFL, from what I remember. And the fact that some posts do live burns which LFL allows.

    Not to start a ****ing match. But... if we don't need NFPA compliant equipment, they might as well issue us the construction helmets and tell us to come in jeans and a sturdy jacket.
    No we should not be placed in dangerous situations but we should have proper equipment. Not saying we need new gear but proper equipment. That's all.

    LFL rules: http://www.learning-for-life.org/exp...ire/index.html
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    In my opinion explorer or not if you are on a fire truck or at a fire scene every member should have NFPA certified gear. If you do not you are just asking for trouble. And when I was an explorer I didnít have new gear but my gear was NFPA. And with the limited staffing that we had and trucks being a long way out I may have made entry into fires before I turned 18. I already had fire I and II and had been on my department for a while. Also we have explorer fire school where with signed permission slips explorers do live burns along with other live fire evolutions. I have helped instructed these live burns and I would not let an explorer in the burn tower if his gear was not NFPA. Sorry if people donít agree with me but why not get some of the firefighters new gear and give the explorers hand me downs that still meet NFPA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by t0asty View Post
    Not to start a ****ing match. But... if we don't need NFPA compliant equipment, they might as well issue us the construction helmets and tell us to come in jeans and a sturdy jacket.
    No we should not be placed in dangerous situations but we should have proper equipment. Not saying we need new gear but proper equipment. That's all.

    Construction Hats and jeans is fine with me, I agree that LFL does allow live burns under certain controlled environments, with that being said each youth does not need 1500 dollars worth of gear, each post should have a couple of sets for these evolutions, or if the department is financially able, than all the youth should have the gear. But to have a post or department purchasing new equipment for an explorer when there are small volunteer departments out there with old tattered gear is wrong. Again, though for general explorer stuff, including rehab and whatever else they are legally able to do at a fire call your right, jeans, and a safety vest would be sufficient.


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    And with the limited staffing that we had and trucks being a long way out I may have made entry into fires before I turned 18. I already had fire I and II and had been on my department for a while.
    This is CRAP...you "might have" made entry into a burning building prior to being 18??? This is the exact problem with the whole issue, and creates the gray area that dominates the whole Chris Kangas issue. If you truly entered an IDLH environment prior to being 18, than shame on you, same on your OIC and shame on your department, they ought to be brought up on charges.
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    This is CRAP...you "might have" made entry into a burning building prior to being 18??? This is the exact problem with the whole issue, and creates the gray area that dominates the whole Chris Kangas issue. If you truly entered an IDLH environment prior to being 18, than shame on you, same on your OIC and shame on your department, they ought to be brought up on charges.
    I agree with you. BUT, only if it was while with his department. I carry my turnouts in my car, if I happen to come across a house fire while I'm out and about, you can bet the farm that I will at least make an attempt....an ATTEMPT, to try a search. Especially if there were reports of people still inside. Sure I don't have an SCBA (well occasionally I do, if I'm going to or from training or have some kind of drill in the next day or two) but I would sure as hell try.

    If you want to debate that, dig up the thread from last year about it and post it there.

    But, if he is responding to a call with his department and he goes interior, there is your problem.

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    that's the good samaratin(sp?) in all of us. we see a situation like a house on fire with someone trapped, and 90% of people will try and do something to help, whether its searching for them, getting a garden hose, or something. it just happens that you happen to have fire gear with you, and have some training in the wonderful field of firefighting. so you stand a better chance at succeeding in finding and helping the person.

    but in a case like that, it's not like you responded with the FD, you were on your own. you should get treated like anyone else who ran into the building to help, regardless of you being a jr. or explorer and being under the laws not to.


    and i agree about the whole responding in with the FD and going inside, then you're on the FDs accountablilty, and under those laws.

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