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    Question Firefighter's / Police Officer's

    I am not sure when the TITLE of Firemen became "Firefighter's," and [Police] Patrolmen became "Police OFFICER's"...probably when the social engineering of "political correctness" business came into being.

    Question: If Police [patrolmen] are now "OFFICERS," shouldn't Firefighter's be TITLED as Fire OFFICER'S...Or, Police Officers be changed to "Crimefighter's" ?

    Both are "sworn" positions of the city or state; both are required to attend the prescribed academy for the position; both are [usually] on the same pay scale, etc.

    Maybe someone could shed some light on this...or attempt to get Firefighter's [correctly] entitled as "Fire Officer's."

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    "Firemen" take care of boilers in heating plants.

    Firefighters fight fires.

    The IAFF stands for International Association of Fire Fighters, otherwise, it it were International Association of Firemen the logo would have said "IAF".

    Fire officers are Lieutenants, Captains, and Chiefs.

    A few years ago,there was someone who posted an idiotic notion on these forums. He did not like the "paramiltary" ranking system, so he suggested that the ranks be called "Fire specialist" for firefighters, "Foreman" for company officer and "Fire Executive" for chiefs.

    There were so many negative posts that he never posted here again.. I guess his feelings were hurt...
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    I think its simply a way of showing a sign of authority. It wouldn't be the same having someone pull someone over.... "What seems to be the problem Mr. Crime fighter?"

    In Firefighting, Officer is a way to show rank, in Crime, its a way to show the Police Officers authority and respect over you.

    Thats my opinion anyway...



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    Captain Gonzo worte:
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    A few years ago,there was someone who posted an idiotic notion on these forumsHe did not like the "paramiltary" ranking systemso he suggested that the ranks be called "Fire specialist" for firefighters"Foreman" for company officer and "Fire Executive" for chiefs 
    Captain Gonzo: Exactly my point...firefighter's and police [patrolmen] both fall under a "paramilitary" unit structure of the government which they are employed and/or assigned to. Therefore a police "OFFICER" is NOT an OFFICER at all. His/her "superior's" are [usually] OFFICERS, just like in the military structure.

    Words mean things...[at least they used to], and entitling someone as an "officer" when they are NOT, is incorrect.

    I am NOT suggesting renaming the title of firefighter, it is the police [officer] title that needs adjusted. Again, back to my original ques: when and why were police "elevated" above firemen (fighters)? I worked as a police "patrolman" in the mid 1970's, and I cannot recall any patrolman being given the title of "officer."

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    There are more pressing problems than wondering what a cop should be called.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    There are more pressing problems than wondering what a cop should be called.

    C'mon now, chief. It's obvious that exploring how to 'rename cops' is far more important than ensuring the quality of new hires, or the staffing levels of our companies.

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    Obviously, no one knows the answer to my [original] question, so let's just drop the subject. The intent was NOT to start a debate, argument, or anything else, and yes Cap...I realize there are many, many more "important" issues, but remember, "every solution will present a new problem."

    I am sorry that I asked [what I thought was] a relevant "hsitorical" question.

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    When you do get stopped by a member of the local constabulary, you could call him a "pig".. I'm sure that he/she will react in a "positive way".

    One of my firends is a retired cop. He actually liked the word
    "pig"... in his vernacular, it meant..

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    I call the guys that make arrests, and I happen to be one, cops, policemen, and police officers. Usually, I say cop or policeman as they are shorter. I don't care anything about political correctness.

    I call the guys with hoses, and I happen to be a volunteer one as a hobby, firemen, hose jockies, and firefighters. Usually, I say fireman as it is shorter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
    ...A few years ago,there was someone who posted an idiotic notion on these forums. He did not like the "paramiltary" ranking system, so he suggested that the ranks be called "Fire specialist" for firefighters, "Foreman" for company officer and "Fire Executive" for chiefs...
    Interestingly enough, as I look back at our run sheets from the 1890's, we did use the names "Foreman" and "Fire Executive", but no "Specialists". I don't know what year we changed to Fire Officer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFMBob View Post
    Question: If Police [patrolmen] are now "OFFICERS," shouldn't Firefighter's be TITLED as Fire OFFICER'S...Or, Police Officers be changed to "Crimefighter's" ?
    I have a better question. If a firefighter fights fire, and a crime fighter fights crime, what does a freedom fighter fight?
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    Well, you know a better name for cops would be "idiot fighter" since by and large what we do is fight idiots.

    Hmmm...idiot officer sounds familiar, but I don't think we can call ourselves that, lol.

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    I was hired on as a "hoseman". Looks funny on my city ID.

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    Police are generally viewed as “enforcement” and this is likely the source of the title “officer” without regard to actual rank. Firefighters, while involved in some enforcement activities are not viewed exclusively as “officers” by the public. Our job is quite different and while we possess authority at times, we are not enforcement in every sense of the word. This is the difference I believe. Unfortunately donning the badge sometimes has the effect of blurring the lines between our two services in some people’s minds. We are “officers” in departmental functions. The police however almost always cope with situations where “authority” may be disputed and this is why they are called officer by the public perhaps.

    Quote Originally Posted by TFMBob View Post
    I am sorry that I asked [what I thought was] a relevant "hsitorical" question.
    I would not be sorry for asking, this is a good question. It reminds us we all have specific functions and while badges are worn by many, they do not all mean the same things.

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    Right out of Webster's dictionary:

    Officer......one who holds an office of trust, AUTHORITY, or command.

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    Up here anyway a Police Officer is technically a Peace OFFICER, given additional rights of arrest, search, and seizure over a person than a Firefighter. Those additional rights and responsibilities bear the unique title.

    A Firefighter as part of a team also has certain limited authority granted in specific circumstances, but only Chief Officers are considered Peace OFFICERS, with the unique personal authority.

    The jobs are not the same. Equally important for sure, but the individual LEO's responsibility of limiting a persons personal rights and freedoms carries a bit more accountability to me than a single firefighter on a larger crew.


    An incompetent individual FF who does more damage than necessary, or even contributes to losing a house through poor tactics is bad, but that FF does not immediately lose his job or go to jail.

    An incompetent Cop who ruins a persons life through bad investigation or tactic, possibly sends them to jail or the morgue, is held to a higher standard of accountability, and expects to lose thier job or freedom for gross abuse of that power.

    The title just helps infer that additional accountability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    I have a better question. If a firefighter fights fire, and a crime fighter fights crime, what does a freedom fighter fight?
    The middle eastern "Freedom Fighters"of this era seem to fight exactly what you are suggesting.
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    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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