05-23-2007, 01:19 AM #1
- Join Date
- May 2007
Any suggestions for an interested 22 year old?
This is my first time posting here so hello everybody,
I tend to write alot when I get rolling so I'll try to keep my question/story as short as possible. First of all, my parents always told me that I should become a sheriff or some type of law enforcement just because I had the size for it, which is true. I played football throughout highschool and 2 years in my community college. I had offers to go out of state but turned it down because I felt that most potential athletes take the scholarships because they have nothing else. I on the other hand had the grades.
I ended up going to ITT tech in sylmar where I currently am now, which I am now starting to regret. I work at a ralphs that is about a half a block away from a firehouse. Whenever any of them came in, I would get alot of comments from my coworkers telling me to become a firefighter because I have the brains and the build. I always put their comments in the back of my head not because I wasn't interested but because I'm stubborn and I thought I had my life planned out. My brother (27) had initially began to take classes to become a firefighter when he was 20/21. Unfortunately he got a DUI 1 week after his 21st bday which created a downward spiral for him. Anyways, he just recently went back to taking classes again.
Heres where my mind did a total 180. I was talking to a friend who had attended classes with my brother when he first attempted firefighting. He currently now is 4 year engineer for the monterey park fire dept., a paramedic, and an emt for S.W.A.T.. This is what caught my attention, He makes 100,000 without overtime 120,000 total and only works 10 days a month. Now I don't want it to sound like I am only interested because of the money or the days off but they are a factor. I've always enjoyed physical activity, teamwork, heroism, etc..
Anyways, I was enlightened by the conversation, so I went to my coworker who is 20 but is about to put in his app for the fire dept.. I asked him what I needed to do and how fast can I become one. He said that I should take my emt courses this summer and fall, take the cpat in winter, and do the academy next year, and by the end of that I can start filling out apps. Sorry guys, I tried to shorten it as much as possible but now that I am done with my book, i have a few questions.
Are the choices my friends offered smart or possible?
What can I do financially to be able to afford the academy while spending the least amount of money as possible?
Any suggestions for me at all would be great and I thank you for your time and suggestions.
05-23-2007, 11:10 AM #2
- Join Date
- Nov 2005
Yes, you are correct when you say that money should not be your motivating factor. While some departments do pay well, there are many more that don't pay that kind of money.
Since you have some contacts with people in the fire service you should inquire about a ride along. This is a great way to see if the job really is for you. It will give you an opportunity to sit with the firefighters and learn what it is that we do.
While you are seeing the fruits of your friend's hard labor, I will tell you that it is extremely challenging to get hired in the fire service. It's not impossible, but it will take dedication, hard work and sacrifice.
In the meantime here is a road map of what you need to do to become a serious candidate.
This sample Firefighter two-year Plan was developed with input form Mike Sarjeant, a Captain on the Long Beach, California, Fire Department.
If still in high school look into a Regional Occupational Program (ROP).
Many local fire departments have community outreach recruitment programs.
Graduate from high school or obtain your GED.
A diploma is much preferred.
Talk with a counselor at a community college that offers fire science courses.
Set up a course curriculum that allows you to obtain a two-year degree in fire science. If the local college does not offer a fire science program, find one that does.
This curriculum should also allow you to complete the prerequisite courses for a fire academy.
Take an Emergency Medical Technician Course (EMT).
This will accomplish a few things. First of all, it is a course required by most departments. It will also let you know if this profession is for you. If you find you can’t handle the sight of blood or helping people during crises, the fire service may not be for you.
Enroll in a state certified fire academy.
Many departments require completion of a Firefighter 1 Academy prior to taking the entry-level exam.
Completion of a fire academy prior to being hired will greatly enhance a candidate’s chance of successfully completing the fire department’s academy. Many fire departments have a 25 – 30% failure rate.
Find out if your community has either a fire department volunteer program or Fire Explorers.
Volunteering in the fire department is an excellent way to gain real life experience. This exposure will also allow you to determine if this is indeed the right career choice for you.
Volunteer in your community.
Find something that you are interested in and volunteer your time: church, sports, hospital, YMCA, Red Cross, etc. It doesn’t matter. Get involved. Volunteering is something that should be done because it’s the right thing to do, not because it will look good on a firefighter application.
Firefighters are self-motivated and have historically been involved in their communities. The perception is that if you are helping out in your community now, you will be the type who will likely continue to stay involved after you are hired, helping out in various committees and groups both on and off the job.
Visit the local fire stations.
Interview the firefighters and elicit their help in planning your career path. It is a tremendous compliment to the firefighters to have someone aspire to be in their position. Visiting the fire stations will help you learn about the job and the culture of the fire service. In addition, you will learn of things that you could be doing to enhance your chances of getting hired. Ultimately, when the department hires, you will be in a good position since the firefighters have gotten to know you and have taken the time to mentor you. There is nothing better than a “home grown” prospect.
Prepare for a fire department interview.
Consider the reasons why you want to become a firefighter and be able to express them. Do your research and learn the rules of the road concerning the interview process. Participate in “mock” interviews with firefighters.
Start a log that includes everything you have done to prepare yourself.
Include details, dates, and names of instructors. Include any personal experiences that may be pertinent to becoming a firefighter.
A few examples of this could be:
You witnessed a car accident and were able to render aid.
You volunteered your time at the Boys and Girls club.
You experienced a life-changing event.
You were voted most inspirational on your athletic team or your fire academy.
Your high school athletic team won the championship.
You were a lifeguard at the city pool.
Anything that you think might be significant. There are no rules. Write it down!
This information will go on your resume, or may be speaking points in an interview. This is preparing you to answer difficult questions in an interview, such as, “Please share with the panel a stressful time in your life, and how you dealt with it.”
The log should just be an easy and accessible memory jogger for you. If you are comfortable with a pencil and notepad, keep them in your room in a convenient spot so you won’t forget to use them. If you are more comfortable on the computer, then use it to formulate your thoughts and ideas.
Get in shape.
Firefighting is a very physical job requiring peak physical strength and endurance. If you are not in good physical condition, it will become very evident during the physical agility testing or the pre-hire medical exam. It is also important to look as if you are physically prepared for the job.
If you see a firefighter who looks out of shape, don’t look at him and think, “If he got hired, so can I!” Odds are he was in better physical condition when he was first hired. You are trying to do everything you can to improve your chances. This is a very important part that you have complete control over!
Look the part!
The rule of thumb in an interview is to hire someone who you can see becoming a member or your crew tomorrow. A candidate who walks in with excessive facial hair, large tattoos or body piercing that is not permitted by the department’s policies presents as a candidate who is not ready for the position. Do not make the mistake of saying that you will remove them when you are ready to be hired. You are making a statement. It is important to understand that the fire department is a paramilitary organization. These will definitely not improve your chances of success.
Invest in a suit and tie. Although not required for the interview, a candidate who does not wear one stands out. First impressions are critical. Make sure the suit is conservative, not flashy.
Dress professionally whenever you will have contact with members of the department. This includes station visits. Remember, it is important to make a good first impression.
Enroll in a service that lets you know which departments are testing.
There are several businesses on the Internet that will inform you of which departments are testing and what their requirements are.
Most departments test every 2-3 years. They will then hire from the “eligibility list” until it expires. The window to file an application is usually very small, ranging from as short as 1 day to as long as 30 days. Once the filing period is closed, the department will not accept any more applications. If you don’t have a subscription to one these services, you will miss a lot of opportunities.
Talk to your family.
The decision to become a firefighter is a monumental one. It will most likely be a long road that requires a lot of time and sacrifice. If you don’t have a family or friend support network, it will become extremely difficult. Most importantly, if your spouse does not support your decision, you are destined for failure.
Surround yourself with reputable people.
A firefighter position is a life choice, not just a job. You must be prepared to live your life with excellent moral and ethical values. For this you will need the support of family and friends who are good role models. If your friends are not a positive influence in the community, you may want to find a new set of friends. Remember the old saying, “Birds of a feather flock together.” A background check will scrutinize not only you, but also the company you keep.
Learn a trade.
Woodworking, framing, electrical, plumbing, welding and automotive are all common examples of a trade. Firefighting is a very physical job that requires good psychomotor skills and a hands-on approach. Typically those who have learned a trade possess these applicable job skills. If you know how a building is constructed, you will be able to predict how a fire will travel through it. If you know where the electrical and plumbing is typically run behind the drywall, you will most likely know where it would be safe to open it up. You will also have become very comfortable with power tools. The importance of being able to work with your hands cannot be overstated.
If you don’t currently have this kind of experience, start taking classes in a trade at your community college. You will at least learn the basics. Back this up with some real life practical experience. It will be invaluable knowledge and will play out well in an interview. Mechanical aptitude cannot be learned in an Internet class or while sitting behind a computer.
Improve your public speaking skills.
If you are uncomfortable getting up in front of a group, you must take steps to overcome your fear. The largest percentage of the testing process is the interview, and ultimately a large part of the job deals with public speaking! You won’t talk a fire out, but you will talk to different groups about how to prevent them. If you can present yourself well in an interview, you are leaps and bounds ahead of the others who can’t. Even if the other candidates have more experience than you, the job will usually be awarded to the candidate who can present him or herself in a clear and concise manner.
If public speaking is your downfall, it is imperative to join Toastmasters or take some courses at your community college. A speech and debate class is an excellent way to get over the jitters. Acting or drama classes can also be an excellent way to feel more comfortable in front of a group.
Teaching others can also help you learn to think on your feet. Whether you are teaching CPR and First Aid or your local Sunday school class, it will help you learn to present information clearly and field questions.
A typical interview question might be, “What do you consider a weakness about yourself?” Your answer could be, “I used to feel uncomfortable getting up and speaking in front of a group. I knew this was a very important part of my chosen vocation. I took several classes at my community college to help improve my comfort level. Since then I feel much more confident in my ability to speak in public.”
You can have all of the best traits in the world, but if you can’t effectively convey them in an interview they will go unnoticed. Now that’s turning a negative into a positive!
Maintain a clean driving and criminal record.
It goes without saying that firefighters are held to a standard that is much higher than the average citizen. The road is littered with firefighter candidates who have failed their background check due to a poor driving or criminal record.
Maintain a good credit history.
Your credit history is a reflection of your reliability, honesty, organization and attention to detail.
Update your resume.
Make sure your resume has no technical or grammatical errors, is well organized and comprehensive. Ask reliable friends or family to proofread it.
05-26-2007, 06:12 PM #3
- Join Date
- Jan 2007
I'm 22 as well. I'll be a paramedic at this time next year. Two things I must point out to you before you go all in are first... your build and you playing football will have no meaning what so ever in this field. I played football at a d2 school and had the thick build and what not and thought it would all be easy but I was totally wrong. It's about endurance and maintaining muscle strength over a period of time. Football is the total opposite. I was 215 lbs and trimmed myself down to 195. Size and bulk mean nothing, thats all a myth. The second thing is no amount of money can really be true compensation of the stress that a paramedic/firefighter goes through. Worry about the money only after you are certain you can deal with the stress. 200k wont be enough to make someone h appy who is stressed and miserable. Your friend worked his way up a tremendous latter. He probably didnt highlite how truely hard it was to get his position. You got hundreds of people going for these jobs.
My advice: Take a little time and go over all of the pros and cons of the field. Think it over several times. If the pros outweigh the cons then go take your classes. Go be active in the community. The best way to do this is to volunteer somewhere. I wasnt an EMT until I was in the field. You learn everything once the classes end.
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