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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    50 years of tradition.........
    and sometimes that 50 years of tradition is the right thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bones42 View Post
    and sometimes that 50 years of tradition is the right thing.
    If a dept doesnt even consider VES from the exterior through a window as an option, of course tradition will be the right thing!

    Having a 24' extension ladder coming off first gives many more options than having a roof ladder IMO. Bedded, an extension ladder is basically the same length as a straight ladder, and is used much more frequently, at least around here.
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    at least around here
    True, for you. Around me, there is a good section of town where a 12' roof ladder is plenty for VES. In fact, the arguement could be made to split the 24' extension into 2 12' ladders.

    No. It won't happen. There's too many other area's where the 24' is needed.

    But I can't speak for LA's area.

    As someone said above, use what makes the most sense for your area.
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    a 24' 2 section ladder is 14' long when bedded.

    a 28' 2 section ladder is 16' long when bedded.

    a 35' 2 section ladder is 20' long when bedded.

    My expierence has been that the typical occupancy we have in our district (and probably many of yours) requires a ladder of 14' to the window sill if the house is built on a slab and 16' to the sill if built on a basement with the usual 2-3 foot of foundation sticking up over the soil line.

    I am going to switch the 14 and 16 foot ladders since the 28 footer is 16' bedded, the second ladder off is 14 feet and the 3rd off is the 16 footer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaFireEducator View Post
    Probably a better way to phrase it would have been ...

    Haven't had any problems with that setup, so I see no reason to change it.

    Intrestinglty though, a number of big city posters seem to use the "I see no reason to change it now as we've been doing it for ____ years" and don't get jumped on.
    Because we give reasons "why" and usually its longer than just one plain sentence.
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    I would like to have the extension ladder on the outside with the roof ladder on the inside. It just makes much more sense IMO. I am trying to get that switched in our department. But there are the ones that have been doing it that way forever and it has always worked so why change it mentality.

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    Our 24' is on the inside because thats the way it fits. We, as an engine, don't use it very often (christmas day '05, a good save from the second story, we were first in, single engine house - no truck) so it doesn't seem to really matter, to me anyway. What are we talking? Maybe 3 seconds to drop the roof ladder on the ground and out of the way?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BLSboy View Post
    50 years of tradition.........
    Things become tradition because they work. Don't get caught up in change for the sake of change.
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    Chicago FF,
    It will work just fine turned around, the fly section of the 24' (towards the rig) is the same size as the roof ladder. It will work, try it on your next tour. A bigger place like yours probably wouldn't even notice somthing like that, but it does make the operation faster and safer because you don't have a roof ladder to trip over now.

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    What would keep you from using the 16 foot roof ladder to rescue someone from a second story window?

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    Quote Originally Posted by burninalive85 View Post
    What would keep you from using the 16 foot roof ladder to rescue someone from a second story window?
    Nothing, as long as it reaches!

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    Here, we also carry an extension and roof ladder on the engine. So far, if I need one, I call a truck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChicagoFF View Post
    Things become tradition because they work. Don't get caught up in change for the sake of change.
    You know that is great advice. For myself as well. I am just always trying to improve things and set up things so they are more logical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by burninalive85 View Post
    What would keep you from using the 16 foot roof ladder to rescue someone from a second story window?
    Ummm...the fact that a 16' ladder might not reach, or may actually be too tall.....and yes, the extra 2' can make a difference.
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