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    Hello:
    I was recently told that there is a report out there by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on the 39 FDNY firemen saved from debris by being in their rigs during the 9/11 attacks. Does anyone know where to find this report or have any data on the hits these cabs took?

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    no..........
    ALL GAVE SOME BUT SOME GAVE ALL
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    idk if you seen some of the Rigs...they were ABSOLUTELY DESIMATED...The cab ? what cab ? I havent heard this and find it hard to believe...what i have heard from stories from the people has been they were underneath cars or trucks or whatever to get away from the debris...But other than that nope i cant see it happening esp. when u seen the rigs.
    Below are all the vehicles that were lost. With that many i cant believe that anybody was in the rigs
    ENGINE 1
    ENGINE 6
    ENGINE 7
    ENGINE 10
    ENGINE 15
    ENGINE 21
    ENGINE 28
    ENGINE 34
    ENGINE 55
    ENGINE 65
    ENGINE 76
    ENGINE 202
    ENGINE 204
    SQUAD 1
    SQUAD 18
    SPARE ENGINE 210
    SPARE SQUAD 252
    SPARE ENGINE 4
    LADDER 1
    LADDER 3
    LADDER 4
    LADDER 5
    LADDER 6
    LADDER 8
    LADDER 9
    LADDER10
    LADDER 11
    LADDER 18
    LADDER 20
    LADDER 101
    LADDER 105
    LADDER 113
    LADDER 132
    RAC 3 SPARE
    RESCUE 1
    RESCUE 2
    TAC 1
    TRV 1
    HIGH RISE 1
    HIGH RISE 2
    HAZ MAT TECH UNIT RESCUE 5
    HAZ MAT TECH UNIT RESCUE 252
    HAZ MAT TECH UNIT RESCUE 18
    MASK SERVICE UNIT 4
    DIVISIONS 1, 3 & 11
    BATTALION CARS 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 46, 48, SAFETY & SOC
    35 OTHER ASSORTED VEHICLES & AMBULANCES.

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    very simply put
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    It was probably cause the rigs didnt start and or broke down on the way! The rest of the rigs that survived were 'cleaned' B.S. and sent back out there. My rig was full of who knows what for over a year till they made us ride around with a pump taking atmosphere samples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayxj View Post
    Hello:
    I was recently told that there is a report out there by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers on the 39 FDNY firemen saved from debris by being in their rigs during the 9/11 attacks. Does anyone know where to find this report or have any data on the hits these cabs took?

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    Jeff
    I have'nt heard of a report done, but I'm know there were members who ran for cover in or under a rig...as well as police cars, benches and anything else they could find. I dont belive anyone could have survived a rig that took a direct hit...as they were completly destoyed. But here it is over 5 years later, and we are still hearing about guys who survived in some pretty remarkable ways.....I dont think we will ever hear from every guy who survived by barely making it to safety. Its one of those stories that can never be fully told.

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    Hello Everyone:
    First of all, I would like to say God Bless to those who went through what they did on 9/11. And God Bless the FDNY.

    I am trying to find this information as I am a mechanical engineering student that would like to design fire apparatus. I apologize to anyone who may be upset by the feelings brought up by this post. I initially saw some information on the Firehouse.com Forums about 39 FDNY members who survived heavy debris by remaining in their apparatus by 9/11 (I have yet to again find this mysterious post). This was confirmed to my by a Seagrave Representative who also said that the United States Army Corps of Engineers published a report for FDNY Fleet Services and Seagrave about the structural integrity of the cabs and accredited this integrity to saving FDNY members. (I am working on seeing if that document is publically available from a Seagrave representative). My question was then posted to all of you on the forums to see whether this data was publically available.

    If for any reason this post is not appropriate, Administrators, please delete it.

    I will keep you all updated with what data I find. In the end, this data may save the lives of more firefighters in the future.


    Thank you for your time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by eaglesrule1024 View Post
    TAC 1
    TRV 1
    HIGH RISE 1
    HIGH RISE 2
    unrelated to the topic at hand, but what are the functions of these FDNY units, the staffing levels, and are they staffed full time or as needed?
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrParasite View Post
    unrelated to the topic at hand, but what are the functions of these FDNY units, the staffing levels, and are they staffed full time or as needed?

    Tac 1 is staffed by 1 member...24 hours a day. Carries extra equiptment for use by the SOC companies

    The Highrise units are a supplemental rig assigned to a company (driven by members of the company it is assigned to, when it is assigned on a box) Carries tools and equiptment that would be needed specifically at highrise fires.

    Dont know what a "TRV" is
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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    Dont know what a "TRV" is
    the TRV, Technical Response Vehicle for Squad 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    Tac 1 is staffed by 1 member...24 hours a day. Carries extra equiptment for use by the SOC companies

    The Highrise units are a supplemental rig assigned to a company (driven by members of the company it is assigned to, when it is assigned on a box) Carries tools and equiptment that would be needed specifically at highrise fires.

    Dont know what a "TRV" is
    Thanks Matty. but I meant to ask what type of stuff is carried on the TAC units? I know you say extra equipment, but what type of equipment that is needed by the SOC units can't fit on the rescues or squads (with their hazmat units as well)? and when does a TAC or TRV unit respond? or is it special called for?

    Ditto for the highrise units. what type of tools and equipment would you need that isn't carried on your standard engine or ladder?

    also, what type of vehicles are these? pick up trucks, fire engines, UPS type trucks, SQuad/hamat type trucks, etc.
    If my basic HazMat training has taught me nothing else, it's that if you see a glowing green monkey running away from something, follow that monkey!

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    TRV,SSL,CPC.....our job is getting to many of these abbreviations (meaning Buffy)! Cant keep them staight!

    The Tac Units carry some equiptment identical to whats on the Rescues and Squads, and some thats not. I am not 100% sure exactly whats on them...so I will leave it to one of the guys who does.

    The Highrise Units I belive carry extra 1 hour cylinders, exhaust fans, sound powered phones, window blankets etc.. Again, unless you work in a company that has one, I am not familuar with exactly they carry.

    Sorry....maybe a guy from Idaho can answer it Seriously though, I'm sure there is a publication somewhere that has a list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    Sorry....maybe a guy from Idaho can answer it .
    Now that is funny.

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    hey!!

    I RESEMBLE that!!!

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    Tac units carry the following:
    25kw generator
    Light Tower
    portable 3.5kw generator with 4 lights and two cord reels
    18hp stanley Hydraulic with 25ft lines (5) used to power the following 70lb pavement breaker, 14 inch cut off saw, diamond chain saw, impact wrench, rotary hammer
    400 gpm dewatering pump
    800gpm trash pump
    1700cfm fan
    Holmatro extrication tool
    Transit
    2" and 4" concrete drill
    audio and vibration detectors
    12 ton winch
    8 person 14ft inflatable dive through bottom boat with 30hp motor
    15 person switlik raft with immersion suit and two life vests


    Two citywide, one in SI at R-5 and one at SOC Island

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    Tac units carry the following:
    25kw generator
    Light Tower
    portable 3.5kw generator with 4 lights and two cord reels
    18hp stanley Hydraulic with 25ft lines (5) used to power the following 70lb pavement breaker, 14 inch cut off saw, diamond chain saw, impact wrench, rotary hammer
    400 gpm dewatering pump
    800gpm trash pump
    1700cfm fan
    Holmatro extrication tool
    Transit
    2" and 4" concrete drill
    audio and vibration detectors
    12 ton winch
    8 person 14ft inflatable dive through bottom boat with 30hp motor
    15 person switlik raft with immersion suit and two life vests


    Two citywide, one in SI at R-5 and one at SOC Island

    Damn! Is that all...

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    Any Pics Of the Tac?

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    I am a little late to this thread, but I thought the 9/11 rumor or Seagrave Apparatus advertised that "Firefighters took safe refuge in our apparatus.

    True or rumor, I guess all of us hope it was true.

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    The tac is this big ugly thing, I left out the 3200# crane used to remove the boat from the roof. Rescue's carry all that and thensome between the rig and the collapse rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CALFFBOU View Post
    I am a little late to this thread, but I thought the 9/11 rumor or Seagrave Apparatus advertised that "Firefighters took safe refuge in our apparatus.

    True or rumor, I guess all of us hope it was true.
    If they did use that slogan, and are using it to sell rigs.....I dont know, that bothers me. What other choices did they have that day?? Anytime I see someone using the WTC attacks (not 9/11 or 911!!!) to promote themselves or an adjenda...it bothers me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    The tac is this big ugly thing, I left out the 3200# crane used to remove the boat from the roof. Rescue's carry all that and thensome between the rig and the collapse rig.
    So what you are saying is the Rescues carry 12%
    more than everybody else

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    12% more money. But they can keep it, not being 1st due to anything is not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattyJ View Post
    If they did use that slogan, and are using it to sell rigs.....I dont know, that bothers me. What other choices did they have that day?? Anytime I see someone using the WTC attacks (not 9/11 or 911!!!) to promote themselves or an adjenda...it bothers me!
    Matty,
    It bothers me too, but you guys were not the only ones attacked. We got attacked down here too. I lost friends all over that day.
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    LOL....dont you people have anything else to do besides b*tch about our b*tching?

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    I implied we were the only ones attacked? I speak only for myself and what happend in this city. The topic was about firefighters using Seagrave rigs as shelter during the collapse of the WTC. I really dont understand your reply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnyirons2 View Post
    12% more money. But they can keep it, not being 1st due to anything is not worth it.
    I do belive they get in 1st due in the neighborhoods they cover (the firehouse first due area), the same as every other company on the job.

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