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    I am looking for information on the new national Emergency Numbering system for Vehicle Indentification.

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    I guess I am too, since this is the first I've heard of it. Another NIMS compliance tool? Great, I can hear it now, " Engine 3789382847" enroute" "Unit signing enroute, was that Engine 3789382847 or Engine 3789283847?"

    Hell I had a hard time just typing that number in the same way twice!

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    I like just starting from 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleWickman View Post
    I like just starting from 1
    Thats to easy!

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    Just what we need, someone to tell those of us that what we call a tanker is a tender, a buggy is an ambulance, an engine is a pumper,.............but what ever it is, if it's NIMS related, it'll have it's own acronym........
    Like WAMP: Water related Apparatus, Motorized, Pump equipped for an engine
    LIMP: Ladder Improved Motorized, Pump equipped for a quint
    WART: Water Apparatus, Reservoir Tank for a tanker/tender
    FART: Fast Attack Rural/Tactical for a brush truck

    What else can you think of?
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    We are currently in the process of implementing our numbering system, it is a county wide project. Pretty simple and a good idea. Each station or town is issued a 2 digit number (21 ex.) each type of vehicle is issued a single digit number (engines 2, ladders 8 ex.), and then the individual truck number (our 1st engine 1) so when all said and done our first engine would be 2121 our first ladder 2181. This system was devised after having problems at mutual aid scenes when you would have 3 engine #1 responding from different stations or towns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCFD302 View Post
    We are currently in the process of implementing our numbering system, it is a county wide project. Pretty simple and a good idea. Each station or town is issued a 2 digit number (21 ex.) each type of vehicle is issued a single digit number (engines 2, ladders 8 ex.), and then the individual truck number (our 1st engine 1) so when all said and done our first engine would be 2121 our first ladder 2181. This system was devised after having problems at mutual aid scenes when you would have 3 engine #1 responding from different stations or towns.
    This is the numbering system that we use in our county. It seems to work out VERY well. When you hear mutual aid on the radio you can tell right away what you're getting with the way the #'s work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LCFD302 View Post
    We are currently in the process of implementing our numbering system, it is a county wide project. Pretty simple and a good idea. Each station or town is issued a 2 digit number (21 ex.) each type of vehicle is issued a single digit number (engines 2, ladders 8 ex.), and then the individual truck number (our 1st engine 1) so when all said and done our first engine would be 2121 our first ladder 2181. This system was devised after having problems at mutual aid scenes when you would have 3 engine #1 responding from different stations or towns.
    Our county system is similar, although we don't make city/town/ FD designations. The stations are numbered from 1 to 70. Rigs are given letter identifiers. E for engine, T for truck, S for squad and so on.

    For example, station 1 has E1, T1, R1 and S1. Station 29 has E29, T29, S29, R29, D29 and H29 (engine, truck, squad, rescue, district chief and haz-mat).

    This is for the in-service rigs only. Reserve rigs use their own city/town/FD numbers until they are placed in-service. There is only 1 type of in-service rig at each station.

    If a need arises to run more then one rig type out of the same station, 3 digit numbers are used. For example, the second in-service engine at station 1 would be E101. The second in-service rescue at station 29 would be R129. We only do this when in disaster mode like for hurricanes.

    These 3 digit numbers can also be assigned to out of county mutual aid rigs when they cover our stations. So if say E15 from Tampa covers our station 40, our CAD would designate it as E140.
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    We have used a similar system here in NH for years. Each town is assigned a 2 digit number. Each truck is assigned a letter and number. Due to the fact that some towns have more than one type of truck running out of a house we do it this way.

    Town of East Podunk would be 43
    East Podunk’s trucks are
    E1 – engine 1
    E2 – engine 2
    T1 - Tanker 1
    L1 - Ladder 1

    East Podunk would respond as 43E1, 43E2, 43T1 etc….

    Luckily enough we don’t have enough population or a fire department large enough up here that would ever require anyone to take off a shoe to count above 10.

    And you would be hard pressed to get any fire department in NH to change.

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    Dave, that is the best way to do it.
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    Our system is exactly like Dave's and it works out great.
    I can't believe they actually pay me to do this!!!

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    7 departments/stations in our county.
    Each department/station has a company number.
    Every apparatus for a department/station is a 2 digit number with the first digit indicating the department/station the apparatus is from and the second digit indicating the type of apparatus.
    Personnel have 3 digit numbers with the first digit indicating the department/station and the second and third digit indicating rank.
    It's simple and easy for everyone to understand and follow.

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    Plain english...Each station has its own number and the trucks are called by name and station number IE "Station 22, Engine 22" a near by county does the number system and its confusing if your not familar with it. It's even worse when you get the officers and numbers like 13,14,15....seems to me its easier just to call them again by name. Ex "Batallion 22" or "Captain 22"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LFD2203 View Post
    Just what we need, someone to tell those of us that what we call a tanker is a tender, a buggy is an ambulance, an engine is a pumper,.............but what ever it is, if it's NIMS related, it'll have it's own acronym........
    Like WAMP: Water related Apparatus, Motorized, Pump equipped for an engine
    LIMP: Ladder Improved Motorized, Pump equipped for a quint
    WART: Water Apparatus, Reservoir Tank for a tanker/tender
    FART: Fast Attack Rural/Tactical for a brush truck

    What else can you think of?
    you can't use FART...NIMS already has a classification 999 for that, federally recognized Feline Aerial Rescue Technician specialist, and LIMP is also used, I don't know the number but it stands for Little Intelligence Management Personel.

    but in seriousness...the numbering system we use is as follows
    First two digits indicate station in alphabetical order (ie anytown fire is 10xx and anywhere fire is 11xx)
    Third digit is to indicate station number (anytown fire station one unit 101x anytowne fire station two 102x) although most placed don't have multiple stations
    Fourth digit indicates unit type (anytown fire station one first out squad 1011 anytown fire station one second out squad 1012)
    the digit system is as follows
    11, 12 = ambulance
    13, 14, 15 = engine
    16 = speciality (usually rescue and chase vehicles)
    17 = brush unit
    18 = Tanker
    19 = Ladder
    if a department has four engines you will see a 23 designation for that unit, same for any other unit (so if you have 4 brush rigs you'd have 17, 27, 37, 47)
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    Here on Long Island both our counties are broken into divisions. The first number is the division, the second is the dept. in that division, the third is the unit number.
    In Suffolk county all chiefs are #30 and 31,32 and 33 are the asst. chiefs. All ambulances are 15,16,17,18,19. First responder cars are #80-89.
    Capts are #50and their unit. So 51 would be capt of unit 1, 60and 70 are lt. of their units.

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    Pretty much all of St. Louis Country and many of the surrounding county's use this. Each truck gets a four digit number. Each Dept gets a two digit number, at my dept we are 19. The third number is what house you are at in you district, at my dept we have two houses so it is 1 or 2. I don’t think this system would work if you had more than 9 engine houses. Only St. Louis City has that many around us. Then the last number is the type of equipment it is. So 1922 is a ladder truck at my dept at 2 house. Now is a truck is a spare truck it gets a 9 in the spot were the engine house number is. Like 1992 is a reserve ladder truck.

    0-is a engine
    1-is also a engine (So if you have two Engines in one fire house or a reserve)
    2-is a Ladder truck
    3-is a tanker
    4-is a rescue pumper
    5-is a quint
    6-is a rescue truck
    7-is a ambulance
    8-is a brush truck
    9-is a utility vehicle or boat

    Now chiefs get four numbers two except they get a zero for the engine house number. So 1900 is the chief of my dept.
    00-chief
    01-assistant
    02-Battlion chief on shift three guys share the same number.
    03-Dept. Chief
    And on up from highest rank on
    It may sound confusing with me explaining it but it is real easy to use and you can tell what trucks are coming to a scene very easily.

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    3 departments outside of Houston run automatic-aid daily. The very simple system is as follows:

    Department "A": Engine 1 thru 19; Ladder 1 thru 19; Battalion 1
    Department "B": Engine 21 thru 29; Ladder 21 thru 29; Battalion 21
    Department "C": Engine 31 thru 39; Ladder 31 thru 39; Battalion 31

    Not too complicated.
    Stay low and move it in.

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    im station 6 so for example
    60-chief
    61-63-asst. chief
    64-first out
    65-second/2nd mutal aid
    67-third/1st mutal aid
    611-brush/small rescue
    612-heavy rescue


    same throught county

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    We use 2 digit numbers now when we replace apparatus. Our communications center covers multiple towns and they all use 1,2,3 ect so we have gone to the two digits.

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    our stations are numbered 1-11 with trucks and line officers as follows at station 9:

    Engine 91
    Tanker 92
    Tanker 93
    Brush 94
    Support 95
    Utility 96
    Engine 97
    (some stations have an engine ending in 8 and a ladder ending in 9)

    Chief 90
    Asst. chief 901
    Asst. chief 902
    Capt. 903
    Capt. 904
    Safety 905
    Lt. 906
    Lt. 907

    basically station number with a 1,7,8 for engine, 2 or 3 for tanker, 4 is brush, 5 is support, 6 is utility/squad, 9 is ladder.

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    here in leavenworth co, all apparatus have a 3 digit number heres how it breaks down.

    first you have to label the apparatus, Engine, Quint, Tanker, etc


    With all the county vollie depts, each dept has there own number, which is the first number

    dept a - 7
    dept b - 5
    etc


    Then the second number denotes what station,
    station 1 - 6
    station 2 - 7

    then the last number is up to the dept to issue.

    so apparatus from station 1 from dept a would be, Engine 761, Quint 770, Tanker 769. From station 2, Engine 773, Brush 775

    from Dept b would be Engine 561, Tanker 564

    Officers use the same first number as the dept, but different second numbers

    Chiefs = *60
    *** Cheifs = *58-59
    Capts = *57-55
    Lieu = *50-52
    Admin = *40-49

    Medical trained personal throw a wrench in to the system. they take the name of the dept and then just use a number
    Ex - reno 1, fairmount 3, sherman 1, etc.
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