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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanj003 View Post
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    FOR ALL OF YOU INQUIRING ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE TIED FOR 1ST:

    My 'information' comes from the simple fact that I am tied for 32nd with a '9 out of possible 10' ranking points. There are no 'half points' awarded (i.e. 0.5 pts).....therefore.....The only possible score better than mine is a 10 out of 10, thus there are only 31 others above the 9 out of 10 ranking. Make sense?
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    As to the guy who 'heard' that there were 8 people tied for first either talked to someone that could not do simple math or just decided to make that number up....who knows?.?.?.
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    I hope that helps.
    I'm no rocket scientist, but that can't be right. Someone has to be ranked 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,etc. I too am tied for 32nd with 9 out of 10 and there's no telling how many of us are tied for 32nd. So one can't assume that there are only 31 individuals that ranked higher than 32nd nor can one assume that everyone that ranked higher that 32nd is tied for 1st.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson247 View Post
    I'm no rocket scientist, but that can't be right. Someone has to be ranked 2nd,3rd,4th,5th,etc. I too am tied for 32nd with 9 out of 10 and there's no telling how many of us are tied for 32nd. So one can't assume that there are only 31 individuals that ranked higher than 32nd nor can one assume that everyone that ranked higher that 32nd is tied for 1st.
    Please go back and read your post and then reconsider your question. I understand what you are 'trying' to say but you do not understand the concept. Let me break it down for you further:
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    Clearly there are 31 people ahead of the 32nd TIE that you and I and probably over 100 others are tied for. So, with that being said, positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 all have a possible "10 out of 10 points" for a score--and are TIED FOR THE TOP RANKING OF #1. That's why there are no rankings of 2nd, 14th, 23rd, etc...because the top 31 people all have the highest score available with a 10 out of 10.
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    Then NEXT highest score is a 9 out of 10 points. That is what I scored and you scored and 3 other guys I know--all of whom are ranked 32nd. There may very well be 100-150 people who have a 9 out of 10 ranking thus TIED FOR THE POSITION OF 32nd. This is also the reason that you have not heard anyone say they are 33rd, 45th, 64th, etc....because all of those people have a possible 9 out of 10.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanj003 View Post
    Please go back and read your post and then reconsider your question. I understand what you are 'trying' to say but you do not understand the concept. Let me break it down for you further:
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    Clearly there are 31 people ahead of the 32nd TIE that you and I and probably over 100 others are tied for. So, with that being said, positions 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 all have a possible "10 out of 10 points" for a score--and are TIED FOR THE TOP RANKING OF #1. That's why there are no rankings of 2nd, 14th, 23rd, etc...because the top 31 people all have the highest score available with a 10 out of 10.
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    Then NEXT highest score is a 9 out of 10 points. That is what I scored and you scored and 3 other guys I know--all of whom are ranked 32nd. There may very well be 100-150 people who have a 9 out of 10 ranking thus TIED FOR THE POSITION OF 32nd. This is also the reason that you have not heard anyone say they are 33rd, 45th, 64th, etc....because all of those people have a possible 9 out of 10.
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    Any clearer?
    I see what you're "trying" to say and if you're right there are 154 tied for 32nd. Seems to me that if 10 out of 10 gets you tied for 1st, then 9 out of 10 would get you tied for 2nd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson247 View Post
    I see what you're "trying" to say and if you're right there are 154 tied for 32nd. Seems to me that if 10 out of 10 gets you tied for 1st, then 9 out of 10 would get you tied for 2nd.
    No, it would not get you 2nd. First of all, how would you have the SECOND HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE (9 out of 10) and still be ranked 32nd? Next, what people have in front of you does not determine your ranking--as long as they are all higher scores than you. For example.....let's say that there were 'quarter-points awarded' such as a 9.75, 9.50, and 9.25 (NASHVILLE DOES NOT DO THIS BUT LET'S SAY THEY DO JUST FOR ARGUEMENT SAKE). If out of those 31 people with scores higher than you and me all had some combination of those scores (such as five people with a 10/10, five people with a 9.75/10, ten people with 9.50/10, and eleven people with a 9.25/10--FOR A TOTAL OF 31 PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU), then you and I are still in the 32nd spot FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THERE ARE 31 OTHER PEOPLE WITH BETTER SCORES ABOVE US.
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    Any clearer? I know it it hard to see it since there are no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on.....; however, those 'spots' are taken up by a 'tie for first'.
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    Please tell me you understand. Call Civil Service if you do not believe me; but, in this case I know that I am right.
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    Anyone else care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonathanj003 View Post
    No, it would not get you 2nd. First of all, how would you have the SECOND HIGHEST POSSIBLE SCORE (9 out of 10) and still be ranked 32nd? Next, what people have in front of you does not determine your ranking--as long as they are all higher scores than you. For example.....let's say that there were 'quarter-points awarded' such as a 9.75, 9.50, and 9.25 (NASHVILLE DOES NOT DO THIS BUT LET'S SAY THEY DO JUST FOR ARGUEMENT SAKE). If out of those 31 people with scores higher than you and me all had some combination of those scores (such as five people with a 10/10, five people with a 9.75/10, ten people with 9.50/10, and eleven people with a 9.25/10--FOR A TOTAL OF 31 PEOPLE AHEAD OF YOU), then you and I are still in the 32nd spot FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THERE ARE 31 OTHER PEOPLE WITH BETTER SCORES ABOVE US.
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    Any clearer? I know it it hard to see it since there are no 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and so on.....; however, those 'spots' are taken up by a 'tie for first'.
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    Please tell me you understand. Call Civil Service if you do not believe me; but, in this case I know that I am right.
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    Anyone else care to elaborate?
    Look man, I'll take your word for it, really, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, but it seems a lot like going around your a## to get to your elbow. It reeks of "government"!

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    Based on Jonathon's scoring methodology and the info in this forum, this is the breakdown I've come up with:

    There are 31 people tied for the rank of #1 with a score of 10 out of 10
    There are 154 people tied for the rank of #32 with a score of 9 out of 10
    There are 493 people tied for the rank of #186 with a score of 8 out of 10
    There are __?__ people tied for the rank of #680 with a score of 7 out of 10

    That would include all the people who made the outstanding list. I couldn't figure the numbers for the people who scored 7 out of 10 due to the fact that no one has posted the rank for someone who scored 6 out of 10. I know it seems like a stupid way to score applicants, but I guess it makes sense to someone. (Just not me.) I hope this helps and doesn't start another argument. Peace.

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    Welcome to Metro. If your lucky enough to get the job, be sure you have a good mask. Nashville smoke screen's are notorious. Been there. Done that. Got several hats.
    See! ! ! Get your mask !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tnfiremedic View Post
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    OK, now I understand what you were saying!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilson247 View Post
    Look man, I'll take your word for it, really, I'm not trying to cause any trouble, but it seems a lot like going around your a## to get to your elbow. It reeks of "government"!
    Hey this might help you understand what Jonathan is saying. Here is a typical Leaderboard from a golf tournament. Notice how the "places" are assigned. There is no 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, or 13th. That's because 7 guys are tied for 7th. Not trying to be a dick, I know sometimes I need to see an example to understand. Good luck getting on.

    1 Vijay Singh 68 65 68 - -3 F -12 201
    T2 Steve Allan 64 68 70 - -1 F -11 202
    T2 John Mallinger 66 66 70 - -1 F -11 202
    4 Hunter Mahan 62 74 67 - -4 F -10 203
    T5 Pat Perez 68 70 66 - -5 F -9 204
    T5 Jim Furyk 69 66 69 - -2 F -9 204
    T7 George McNeill 70 69 66 - -5 F -8 205
    T7 Bob Heintz 69 69 67 - -4 F -8 205
    T7 Glen Day 67 70 68 - -3 F -8 205
    T7 Tom Pernice Jr. 68 68 69 - -2 F -8 205
    T7 Bo Van Pelt 66 70 69 - -2 F -8 205
    T7 Brandt Snedeker 67 68 70 - -1 F -8 205
    T7 Ryan Palmer 67 67 71 - E F -8 205
    T14 Bob Tway 69 71 66 - -5 F -7 206
    T14 Paul Gow 70 69 67 - -4 F -7 206
    T14 Troy Matteson 67 71 68 - -3 F -7 206
    T14 Shigeki Maruyama 69 69 68 - -3 F -7 206
    T14 Steve Marino 70 66 70 - -1 F -7 206
    T14 Dicky Pride 68 68 70 - -1 F -7 206
    T14 Cliff Kresge 70 65 71 - E F -7 206
    T14 Michael Putnam 66 68 72 - +1 F -7 206
    T14 Tripp Isenhour 65 68 73 - +2 F -7 206
    T23 Mathew Goggin 68 70 69 - -2 F -6 207
    T23 Daisuke Maruyama 68 69 70 - -1 F -6 207
    T23 Charlie Wi 66 71 70 - -1 F -6 207
    T23 Brett Quigley 68 68 71 - E F -6 207
    T27 Mike Weir 71 70 67 - -4 F -5 208
    T27 Brian Davis 70 70 68 - -3 F -5 208
    T27 Stephen Ames 70 69 69 - -2 F -5 208
    T27 Briny Baird 69 69 70 - -1 F -5 208
    T27 Ted Purdy 68 69 71 - E F -5 208
    T27 Camilo Villegas 68 68 72 - +1 F -5 208

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    Curious, does anyone know anything about when clarksville might be taking applications. I know they got a SAFER grant last year for 15 positions, but i never saw anything on their human resources about taking applications. Also when is the new nashville mayor suppose to take office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dsmns27 View Post
    Curious, does anyone know anything about when clarksville might be taking applications. I know they got a SAFER grant last year for 15 positions, but i never saw anything on their human resources about taking applications. Also when is the new nashville mayor suppose to take office.
    There was talk that Clarksville was going to give the SAFER back. The new Mayor came in and decided he didn't want to be saddled with the old Mayor's plan.
    I never heard what the final outcome was on it.

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    Default Been Sipherin' on the Metro Numbers

    According to Jonathon's methodology of scoring, this is the breakdown I came up with:

    10 out of 10 gets you tied with 31 others for the rank of 1.
    9 out of 10 gets you tied with 154 others for the rank of 32nd.
    8 out of 10 gets you tied with 493 others for the rank of 86th.
    7 out of 10 gets you tied with ???? others for the rank of 680th.

    All of the above would be in the OUTSTANDING category according to Metro.

    I hope this doesn't create more confusion or controversy.

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    According to the Civil Service Rules in Nashville(if they still go by them). 20% of the list is in Outstanding, 30% is well Qualified, and 50 % is in the Qualified category.

    Now if they go by this, somewhere in the 8-10 range is where the outstanding stops.

    I had read earlier there have been 800-1500 apps, which is a pretty far spread. So your 20% range could be 160 to 300 in the outstanding range.

    We know there are 32 in outstanding. If that's 20%, then 10% is 16. 100% would be 160. Does this sound right?

    Can anybody that is still working there verify the ruling.

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    Honestly there is way too much concern about the civil service written/agility test scores. If you are not what they are looking for, it doesn't matter what you scored. Those that normally get hired with NFD are either a) minority or b) have family/close friends in high ranks with the department (or politicians). If you don't fall under (a) or (b), you may have a shot if you scored a 10 and already EMT licensed. That's what I would put money on anyway.

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    Well, I guess that settles it!

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    New and different news of course. A fellow work employee whose uncle is a captain with nfd told me yesterday that he told her that they have already interviewed those chosen for the up coming class. As you all know we,ve heard something different from about everybody on here. Just wondering if anybody else can vouch if this is true.

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    Personally, I have no idea, but somehow I just don't think that is true. However, we have been warned about Metro's smoke screens!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WJVaughn View Post
    There was talk that Clarksville was going to give the SAFER back. The new Mayor came in and decided he didn't want to be saddled with the old Mayor's plan.
    I never heard what the final outcome was on it.
    Clarksville did hire the 15 from the grant plus two more to fill in holes. They came on board last month.

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    I tied for the rank of 1 and I am a licensed EMT-IV and I haven't heard anything about Metro interviews yet. I talked to another guy who tied for the rank of 1 last week and he hadn't heard anything about interviews yet either. He and I aren't (a) a minority or (b) related to anyone with rank, so I hope that didn't dictate who got or gets an interview. It would be sad if the top 31 of over 1500 didn't even get an interview just because they didn't "know" anyone. If anyone hears anything about Metro Fire Recruit Interviews, please post...... Thanks.

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    Where did clarksville post the job announcement, b/c i religously checked their government website and job posting and never saw an announcement for the position. This also sounds like some fire department inside politics.

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