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    Wow. What an intelligent diatribe. You had me at "Blah blah blah blah"
    At least he has more than tired old rumors and rants from Newsmax and other such reliable sources.


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    And someone help me out with these hybrid cars. They tout the increased gas mileage, but no one will tell you about the cost of the electricty to run these cars. And where does electricity come from? Coal and oil burning electric utilities. that is unless we build nore nuke plants which have become nearly cost prohibitive to build. Oh yea, can't build hyro electric plants either because we will disturb the rivers, and ruin the habitat for the rare elko-camino spider fly.. Maybe we can gather up all of the lightening bugs and harness their electricity
    If we could convert the babble of your posts into electricity, a good portion of our energy needs would be met!

    The present hybrid vehicles use a combination of battery power and a small displacement gasoline (in the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic) engine to power the vehicle. Regenerative braking charges the battery pack. When more acceleration is needed, a combination of the gas engine and battery pack is powering the vehicle and charging the system.

    The larger hybrids (the Honda Accord, Toyota Highlander, Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner, Lexus Gh400, RXh300 and the upcoming $120K lLh460) operate on the same principal, with bigger engines and battery packs.

    The car you are thinking of is GM's EV-1, which had to be plugged in every night and only had a range of about 200 miles in a warm climate.. They were not sold, but leased and only in California and Arizona.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    And someone help me out with these hybrid cars. They tout the increased gas mileage, but no one will tell you about the cost of the electricty to run these cars. And where does electricity come from? Coal and oil burning electric utilities. that is unless we build nore nuke plants which have become nearly cost prohibitive to build. Oh yea, can't build hyro electric plants either because we will disturb the rivers, and ruin the habitat for the rare elko-camino spider fly.. Maybe we can gather up all of the lightening bugs and harness their electricity
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    I'm not sure how much the owners charge you to "plug in", but I'm guessing the initial costs of building these hybrid-rechargning parking garages would pan out in the long run, as solar power is an infinitely renewable resource. I think the price for solar technology will fall, there's just not a big push for it, or too many lobbyists, I don't know.

    I personally don't own a hybrid (don't have the income to afford one), but the price tags (at least on the small vehicles) are falling.

    Still, when I ever buy one (I live in a rural area, such technology takes a while to get out here), I'd do it to slap those Middle Eastern/South American Oil Terrorist nutcases in the face, not because some politician wrote a book about global warming.

    Edit: The source for that photograph is www.evworld.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    At least he has more than tired old rumors and rants from Newsmax and other such reliable sources.


    OOOOkkay... I will bite.

    Seeing as you quoted me, where did I post ANYTHING from newsmax
    in this thread?

    What tired old rumor or rant did I post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Nothing. I don't think he did either. He was instrumental in bringing the internet into the public domain. That is fact.
    Gore himself admits he screwed up in the interview.

    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Oct 28, 1999 by RON FOURNIER

    Asked to identify his biggest mistake, Gore replied sheepishly, "My choice of words when I claimed to have taken the lead in the Congress for inventing the Internet"


    He screwed the pooch....

    Simple. Undeniable. He even admits it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVFD301 View Post
    Gore himself admits he screwed up in the interview.

    Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, The, Oct 28, 1999 by RON FOURNIER

    Asked to identify his biggest mistake, Gore replied sheepishly, "My choice of words when I claimed to have taken the lead in the Congress for inventing the Internet"


    He screwed the pooch....

    Simple. Undeniable. He even admits it.
    Kind of the way I feel about Bush turning down Bin Laden.

    The Ottawa Citizen

    February 5, 2001 Monday FINAL EDITION

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    BODY:
    The Taliban authorities will consider sending Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born terrorist behind the World Trade Center bombing, to a third country if the West will recognize them as Afghanistan's legitimate government.

    "We hope the new American administration will be more flexible and engage with us," said Abdul Wakil Muttawakil, the Taliban foreign minister, as new UN sanctions begin to squeeze the hardline group.

    Mr. Muttawakil has written to President George W. Bush saying his administration is prepared to resolve the Bin Laden issue through negotiations.

    General Pervez Musharraf, Pakistan's military ruler, said the suggestion of sending Bin Laden abroad appeared workable. He added it was not clear which country might provide sanctuary to the world's most wanted terrorist but Yemen had been mentioned.Pakistan is the closest ally of the conservative administration.


    I wonder which one will be considered a greater blunder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scfire86 View Post
    Kind of the way I feel about Bush turning down Bin Laden.

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    I wonder which one will be considered a greater blunder.
    Don't know... Probably a good one for a different thread however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainGonzo View Post
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    If we could convert the babble of your posts into electricity, a good portion of our energy needs would be met!

    The present hybrid vehicles use a combination of battery power and a small displacement gasoline (in the Toyota Prius and the Honda Civic) engine to power the vehicle. Regenerative braking charges the battery pack. When more acceleration is needed, a combination of the gas engine and battery pack is powering the vehicle and charging the system.

    The larger hybrids (the Honda Accord, Toyota Highlander, Ford Escape/Mercury Mariner, Lexus Gh400, RXh300 and the upcoming $120K lLh460) operate on the same principal, with bigger engines and battery packs.

    The car you are thinking of is GM's EV-1, which had to be plugged in every night and only had a range of about 200 miles in a warm climate.. They were not sold, but leased and only in California and Arizona.
    OK, So now you are a comodian too!!

    However, the electricity generated from the braking action will be used up to bring the car back up to speed. The gasoline engine kicks in around 30 mph. So the entire time you are driving around town you are on electric. They need to recharge those batteries somehow. As for those solar cells, I looked at setting some up to power some of my stuff. The cost of putting in the cells was cost prohinbitive and not very economical.

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    As for Al Gore and the internet. The first network was developed by some universities in Ca. So it was developed in the public domain to start with.

    Now for Global Warming. I just got this email and it takes you to a great site. Found a couple of others as well. Not bad for a 15 year old. How come adults aren't as wise as this 15 year old?

    http://newsbusters.org/node/13282
    http://newsbusters.org/node/12849
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    OK, So now you are a comodian too!!
    However, the electricity generated from the braking action will be used up to bring the car back up to speed. The gasoline engine kicks in around 30 mph. So the entire time you are driving around town you are on electric. They need to recharge those batteries somehow.

    Yes... every time I am on the commode, I realize the source of most of your posts!

    PS: you are wrong...again.

    This website explains how a hybrid car operates.

    http://www.hybridsynergydrive.com/en/quick_guide.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by GodSendRain View Post
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    I'm not sure how much the owners charge you to "plug in", but I'm guessing the initial costs of building these hybrid-rechargning parking garages would pan out in the long run, as solar power is an infinitely renewable resource. I think the price for solar technology will fall, there's just not a big push for it, or too many lobbyists, I don't know.

    I personally don't own a hybrid (don't have the income to afford one), but the price tags (at least on the small vehicles) are falling.

    Still, when I ever buy one (I live in a rural area, such technology takes a while to get out here), I'd do it to slap those Middle Eastern/South American Oil Terrorist nutcases in the face, not because some politician wrote a book about global warming.

    Edit: The source for that photograph is www.evworld.com.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    OK, So now you are a comodian too!!

    However, the electricity generated from the braking action will be used up to bring the car back up to speed. The gasoline engine kicks in around 30 mph. So the entire time you are driving around town you are on electric. They need to recharge those batteries somehow. As for those solar cells, I looked at setting some up to power some of my stuff. The cost of putting in the cells was cost prohinbitive and not very economical.
    There are no plug in Hybrids on the market yet, once they get their initial charge at the battery factory, all charging comes from the regeneration and the on-board gasoline engine. Sine you would be otherwise using the gasoline engine for propulsion they are not burning any additional carbon based fuel than would already be burned. You really don't help the arguement that Al Gore is not good for the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Don't stop at Iraq. Include Bosnia, Kosovo, former Yugoslav Republic, Viet Nam, Korea, and a couple I am forgetting for sure. We need to stop putting our troops inother countries. Bring them ALL home and let them defend our own soil. If we brought ALL of our troops home from foreign lands we would be able to line them up along our borders and it would do wonders for our economy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    As for Al Gore and the internet. The first network was developed by some universities in Ca. So it was developed in the public domain to start with.
    But it wasn't readily accessible to the public until he brought legislation.

    You can argue this silly point ad nauseum. It really doesn't matter. He's accused of lying because of that statement. I don't believe he lied any more than you believe Bush didn't lie about how no one could foresee using hijacked airplanes as weapons when he'd been briefed on just that possibility a month before 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HotTrotter View Post
    Now for Global Warming. I just got this email and it takes you to a great site. Found a couple of others as well. Not bad for a 15 year old. How come adults aren't as wise as this 15 year old?

    http://newsbusters.org/node/13282
    http://newsbusters.org/node/12849
    http://home.earthlink.net/~ponderthemaunder/index.html
    Following the leadership of 15 year olds has always worked well for me. While I admire her work and effort I'll be taking my guidance from folks who are just a bit more seasoned.
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    Soldiers are a little different than you or I. They actually follow orders. They don't question them.
    They do follow them, but if you think they aren't questioning them, you're living in some remote fantasy world.

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    "
    At least he has more than tired old rumors and rants from Newsmax and other such reliable sources. "


    THNozzleman...


    I never saw your reply to my question when you stated the above about
    me........

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    I never saw your reply to my question when you stated the above about
    me........
    Same old crap...accusing Al Gore of lying about inventing the internet when the righties know damn well he never said any such thing. That and the old burning tire dump crap on the family farm...I think you have your hogwash mixed up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThNozzleman View Post
    Same old crap...accusing Al Gore of lying about inventing the internet when the righties know damn well he never said any such thing. That and the old burning tire dump crap on the family farm...I think you have your hogwash mixed up.
    Ok, so you agree I never posted anything from Newsmax, and sources such
    as that - even though you accused me of it.

    Makes sense. And here we thought Hottrotter was the only troll in the
    thread.

    And the tires burning? I was there. I responded. Now, with you being
    well over 100 miles from there, did you respond?

    Have a great evening.

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    Nozz. Don't waste your time. The last election taught us all we need to know about conservatives.

    Serve your country in the regular Navy, go to Vietnam, win the Silver Star and four Purple Hearts = coward and traitor.

    Serve your country in the National Guard, request no duty overseas, get drunk a lot, get a special assignment to work on a State senate campaign = hero and good American.

    Why would they have any different attitudes about things of lesser importance like how the internet.
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